Female swimmer who tied Lia Thomas speaks out on championship experience

I have to give you some credit for being the first to chime in as opposition to some degree. You can see most won’t touch this subject

 

Women wanted a law against being discriminated against by men, yet they didn't think that they themselves would be unable to keep men out of women's sports or activities they deemed to be separate from male activities. This all started when women wanted to be included in all-male activities.

 

Fair enough. The FAR left then?

 

This is absolute insanity. Many of the ones who normally advocate for being able to call men women will not touch this subject because this is an area where reality collides with that fantasy

 

Lia Thomas is not a good look for this movement of having men compete against women in sports.

I almost wonder if this is a 4d chess move to give Lia the medal and expose this now while it can still be undone. "Lia needs to hold the medal..."

Because since Lia or whatever the hell his name is now won that medal, the hate on men in sports has grown substantially. It's cast a huge magnifying glass on this issue and women everywhere are speaking out against this.

 

I think your closing statement is utterly wrong, because I agree with everything else you wrote, at least up to your "cozy images," which included a woman being depicted as a rug, with a man standing on her back, one foot atop her head. Cozy image?

But, to the point, I don't think there is any reason for you to assume, and you certainly didn't offer any proof of your allegation, that, "to the Democrats," the idea of a trans woman-- *and I differentiate between the cultural term, "woman," and the biological term, female, just as you correctly did, above-- pushing ahead of a biological woman, in female sports, is anything of which most would approve. I can only assume that it is a small, but influential group, who is behind this sort of thing. A more thorough investigation of that, I would find a much more interesting, and worthwhile focus for a thread, than your vacantly blaming this all on Democrats.

 

Get me one democrat senator or democrat house representative that will tell you that they don’t support trans people in the sport opposite of their genetic sex

 

I have two points, in reply:

1) I feel, if you are specifically talking just about the politicians of a particular Party (or, for example, more specifically, the federal politicians; or the Party leadership), the poster should say that, clearly, and not just say "Democrats," or "Republicans."

2) I don't know why the politicians' opinion, on this, has more relevance than anyone else's, since this is not an issue that is governed by law but, rather, by the sport in question's ruling body. So, your criticism seems partisanly misdirected-- even if it is true, that Democrats, generally, would tend to be more tolerant of non traditional communities, obviously, than Republican "conservatives."

As I'd said in my prior response, I don't think, even if Dems are not so harshly critical, and are more generally supportive, of these people's freedom to live as they choose-- that is a big part of the American Dream, remember-- that means the base of the Democratic Party is any less capable at, or interested in, discerning fairness. Where are the polls on Trans athletes, in professional sports? Other than trans men, if they could actually make the cut, in men's sports, I doubt there is a majority, even among Democrats, who support people born male-- other than, possibly in K - 12 sports (& I would add intramural college sports, though not inter-school), because these serve more, for the vast majority of participants, functions pertaining to socialization, and the assimilating of life-lessons-- competing against females, at the more advanced levels.

 

Having absolutely nothing to offer their fellow Americans in the American experiment. Leftists have a vested interest in lunacy as a new calling. A man is a woman, criminals are victims, up is down, a knife is a cat, guns kill, tongues lie, perversion is loveliness. They are headed to oblivion at breakneck speed. Their choice. The Old Testament is rife with examples of Jews who turned their backs on God and met catastrophe. So he came down as a man and they killed him, and they were scattered upon the earth like leaves in the wind. America was founded by the God of the Jews. And the left is playing with fire.

 

These people are continually elected by democrats are they not? If they are supported they will continue to do this so that’s why I point to democrats. They’re the ones in charge of their platform. As a Republican I have no influence in their primaries or their platform. So democrats are essentially the ones pushing this

 

But as I already noted, "this," is not something that is decided by the legislature, so what they say about it, is not very relevant.

 

Wait until Lia dyes his hair black and gets a jerry curl and becomes black.

 

It is something decided by legislatures. The status quo is to allow it to happen and allow it to be taught to as little as 2 year olds (in New Jersey for example), to endorse it at the White House and show their support for kid gender swap and hormone blockers (Biden administration).

then on the other side of the isle you have Utah that passed a law to ban trans kids in sports outside of their genetic gender. Even going as far as overriding the governors veto. Then you have Florida who legislated against it and against teaching it in school.

So yes it’s legislated

 

Ahh-- from the thread title, I mistakenly thought that the "it," we were discussing was whether transexual women were allowed to compete against females, in professional sports & The Olympics (neither of which, is decided by the legislature). You had greatly broadened our topic, without cuing me in to that fact.

 

I suppose I did in some way. But this was more about a college example. But I never excluded certain scenarios. I believe democrats support it all.

 

Well, one might think I would have a better sense of that, than you, but I'll admit that I really don't have a good basis (though I think your basis is not even as good as mine, because I can at least know my own, now Democratic, view). In short, without a poll, I don't know how anyone-- especially a non- Democrat-- could guess where the totality of Democrats stand, on the particular issue of Pro/Olympic/inter-school Collegiate sports. To me, trans sexual participation would clearly be unfair, and Democratic liberals are supposed to be more concerned with "fairness," than Republican conservatives (who care much more, however, about tradition, so I would think that it wouldn't turn out to be that far, from a push). Where we would see the biggest difference in support, between the Parties, would be in K - 12 sports.

 

I have yet to meet a left winger in the real world who supports trans men in womens sports. I think the media and leftist leaders try using propaganda to make it seem otherwise.

 

Sorry, but requiring those who compete in women's sports to be women is not in any way discriminating.

 

Stop making ridiculous claims about liberals.

I coached high school basketball, boys and girls. The subject came up among coaches and the general staff from teachers to administrators, and not even one teacher was prepared to allow biological males to compete against females.

There is a vocal element, mostly on the left, pushing against adequately protecting women from unfair competition. Media on all sides are ginning up conflict. In the end, this will be a nonissue.

 

It's about fair competition, not gender identity. Women should not have to compete against biological males, period.

 

It didn't come from schools.

 

Not far, not near—just an element on the left. The left aren't condemning this stuff for the same reason the right doesn't condemn Greene, Gaetz and other extremists—every vote counts. As long as they can not lose votes in the middle, extreme elements will keep pushing BS.

 

As a gym teacher you never heard of weight classes?

 

The same can be said of rightwingers supporting laws forcing women to carry their rapist's baby.

None of it makes sense and it behooves all of us near the political middle to reject extreme views on the left and right.

Organized religion is losing adherents faster in America than any other industrialized democracy.

The Imaginary Friend of the Jews is losing ground quickly.