Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

Which is why we left and did not try to secure Vietnam. The war in Vietnam was very similar to the war we fought in Afghanistan. Wars of attrition never work. Taking and holding territory is the only way to secure a country. This is exactly what Russia is doing in Ukraine.

 

The point is that our losses in Afghanistan, while always an occasion for sorrow, were relatively light and easily sustainable for the long haul.

 

You left out George Soros and the Clintons. You're slipping, man.

 

It's what Hitler did, too. It won't work.

 

This is indeed an interesting perspective.

 

...there's a bucket load of to-ing and fro-ing at the moment so its not that easy get a handle on what is going on - sure Russia is making some painfully slow gains in some areas and being slowing divested of land that it took in other parts. It's very early days in this war which will probably last years. Ukraine has potentially long range equipment coming into the fight but the effect it has will only be seen in months - if it survives that long? The one thing missing from this conflict is the Russian air force...where are they? What are they doing? If the Russians can re-train their aircrews to fight joined-up close support then that's a major change...their aircraft aren't really well equipped for that so who knows?

The trouble with taking land is once you have it you have to hold it which means you need a lot of troops and a lot of equipment - The Russians are frantically stripping ammunition from their client states which means (presumably) they don't have the manufacturing capability to keep up. They have so many different types of weapons systems and equipment in theater which will make it a logistical nightmare for maintenance and supply. Their T-62 tanks which they are bringing in has a completely different type of ammo to the other tanks so again its getting the right ammo to the right units. Will Russia have to fully mobilise in order to supply garrison troops in captured land; their combat troops are tiring, moral is low and their losses are horrific. Are they going to rotate conscripts into combat units to shore up the losses and allow tired troop to rest?

Their commanders are hopelessly hampered by Putin micro-managing the offensives and making absurd goals. Changes to commander, arrests and un-explained disappearances are causing a crisis within their officer corps. They are having to send generals and senior commander into combat zones in order to force troops into carrying out order by force of personality - many of whom have been killed not long after they arrive.

Holding land is not going to help the Russians unless they sort out their systemic problems. At the moment they are merely feeding humans into killing zones in the hope that they can gain a few kilometers of pasture land and the odd village and call it a success. The equation is that is Ukraine losing as many as the Russians and are the Russians going to continue to allow their sons to be killed at the same or indeed an increasing rate.

Time will tell

 

Good stuff for the good guys.
US Sending Two Surface-to-Air Missile Systems to Ukraine. The Pentagon announced Friday that the US is sending two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System NASAMS surface-to-air missile systems, four counter-artillery radars and artillery ammunition to Ukraine. The weapons transfers are part of the $820 million in new military aid for Ukraine announced by President Joe Biden on Thursday at the NATO summit in Madrid. Politico Reuters

 

Justice is coming.

Ukraine Hits Russian Military Base in Occupied City. Ukrainian forces launched “over 30 strikes” on a Russian military base in the Russian-occupied southern Ukrainian city of Melitopol on Sunday, according to the city’s exiled mayor. He said the base was “taken out of action” by the attack. Russian-installed officials confirmed attacks on the city. Al Jazeera Reuters

 

Russian aggression cannot snuff out Ukrainian intellectual achievement.

BBC
Ukrainian professor wins prestigious Fields Medal in mathematics

 

How do we call all those western officials that have stolen Russian wealth? Not to forget the private property gospel. Has the private property suddenly become not the bedrock of the western society? Can we just go around stealing from people if we politically disagree with them?

 

After making this observation you seem to know some very important details about the Russia military's operational snafu's. Otherwise and interesting take on the situation in Ukraine.

 

It didn't work for Hitler because he did not have his own energy resources to keep his military moving. Putin does not have that problem.

 

What was the strategic value in Afghanistan? How much money should we have sunk into Afghanistan to support people who really wasn't interested in Democracy? Afghanistan was a money pit. As light as the losses may have been it was not worth staying there.

 

It was worth staying as long as the threat remains. Now another generation of Americans will just have to go back and do it all over again.
There were plenty of Afghans interested in democracy. We encouraged them and then betrayed them.
I have been to Afghanistan. You?

 

The assets are frozen, so technically still owned by Russians, that's what I heard. That's not to say they won't be stolen in future though.

 

It would take a bit more than that.

I would not want to attend one of your lectures.

 

Nope. Fuel was a persistent problem for the Germans but they were able to overcome it until the last year of the war.

 

Bad Ukra

Bad Ukrainians, really bad. They cannot stand the fact that population of Melitipol and Kherson welcomed their Russian brothers. They are desperate to destroy those cities. At what price? Kiev? I would actually flatten Lviv. For one rocket hitting Kherson, 5 missiles to Lviv....etc....Those Ukrainian nationalists need to learn that there are grave consequences for randomly bombing civilian targets.

 

Russia's loss rate is not sustainable.

World
The New Voice of Ukraine
Russia lost over 35,000 troops so they could raise a Soviet flag over ruins – Zelenskyy

 

Russians ‘suffer 200 dead, 300 wounded’ in attack on base at Melitopol airfield
Tue, July 5, 2022 at 9:02 AM

At the moment, the invaders have left the airfield, the mayor said. The fire there hasn’t been extinguished yet.

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According to the mayor, local collaborators are afraid to go to work after the destruction of the base in Melitopol.

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Fedorov said there are three more enemy military bases in Melitopol, located next to residential buildings. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are well aware of them, but they understand that the invaders are using the civilians as human shields.

... https://news.yahoo.com/russians-suffer-200-dead-300-140200129.html​

I hope the Ukrainians can find a good solution to this long-running problem of the orcs using Ukrainian civilians as human shields.

 

I really do not know how to answer this. You just agreed Hitler had a fuel problem. Having fuel issues would certainly end someones dream of ruling the world.

 

Like trying to fight on three fronts while having fuel shortages? Would that prove to be a bit more?

 

No. The Germans recognized their limited production capacity and took measures to remedy the shortfall, both by conquering new sources, and expanding their production of synthetic fuel.

 

19 years training the Afghan military to fight for their democracy and country just wasn't long enough I guess. I didn't need to be there to understand most Afghan people just didn't value their freedom enough to die for.

 

You got the last word on this.