Abortion ban amendment shot down in Kansas doesn't bode well for Repubss

Kansans said they don't want restrictive abortion laws. They flat don't agree with government telling women they must bear children. It's not in keeping with a modern society.

Let's help the country get better. No gun-grabbing, no telling women how to live, and no more of the dismal "war on drugs." We should do something about healthcare, fixing our public schools in poor areas, and this...



Working people are falling out of the middle class.

The average Italian lives four years longer than the average American. Something is wrong here.

 

More olive oil.

 

The topic of abortion is not one of republicans vs democrats. The vast, vast majority of Americans support body autonomy, regardless of political affiliation. The RvW ruling was absolutely correct, in that the federal government has no authority. It was bad legislation, and needed to be struck down, not because women should not have the right, but because the feds don't have the authority. Ultimately, the states will either follow Kansas, or the People will send scoundrels packing until they do. This is as it should be. And those states who choose to close abortion clinics will see new ones will appear along their neighboring state borders to serve demand, again as it should be.

 

And that's fine! Kansas can vote in whichever government supports that position.

 

You can spin this until you drop.

There is no protection in the Constitution for the fetus, and no mention of it as an entity. Roe v. Wade should have decided abortion laws infringed on woman's rights and were therefore illegal.

No gun-grabbing, no assault on women's rights, and no more "war on drugs." Leave people be. Decide what to do about immigration, but definitely end illegal immigration. Fix public schools in poor areas, urban and rural. Really fix healthcare.

Seriously work on this...



Trump didn't have the answer. He didn't even have an answer. Nothing.

Joe Biden? He doesn't have the answer.

 

Where the Constitution is silent the 9th and 10th amendment control.

Under Dobbs, which is widely supported by Conservatives and the Right, women may freely abort until they pass the 15th week: are folks that agree with that standard "Pro-Life" or "Pro-Abortion" by the standards measured in the poll you reference?

 

SCOTUS should have decided abortion laws violate women's fundamental rights. 9-0.

Women are not going to have government tell them they have to be pregnant and bear children. I don't know of women, liberal or conservative, prepared to have their privacy invaded. I'm sure there are some, but they're in the minority.

 

Body autonomy is NOT an enumerated right(that is to say, you can't find it in the constitution, or in any federal statue, anywhere.) Rather it counts as a presumed right, a lot like alot of rights fall under the 10th amendment of the Constitution. The problem with these rights(or perhaps thinly veiled privileges we should call them) is that any attempt to regulate these, is not illegal nor unconstitutional.

And if one wants a federal law for these things, all one has to do is pass the bills. Such as the case here in Kansas. Like people said, this is how the system is supposed to work.

 

Keep believing that

 

You and I both know that politicians will do what they damn well please even though the people will voice their concerns to their office not to do this, even if it is a majority of said phone calls or letters by said individuals. That being said, because Kansas did a Constitutional referendum, the Kansas GOP should not introduce a bill banning abortion in 2023 because the people have spoken. Right? To do so would violate what the people have spoken on.

Besides, many of these bills that were passed in our representative democracy, I seriously doubt the voters had abortion as their priority reason or reasons for voting for them. And that leads to another conundrum in your post.

 

yep, seed oil is a huge problem in America.... as well is our high carb\low fat diets

 

other Countries are adopting the Standard American Diet, we're bringing them down with us

 

That is not true. In Florida, there is no exception to abortion. In Texas, there is no exception to abortion. The Dobbs case was only with the state of Mississippi, not the entire US. None of the Justices that agreed with the plaintiffs, Dobbs, believed that this should not apply to all the states. It may act as a guideline nationally for states to look at, but SCOTUS justices were very silent on what states should do. Hence, why so many of the states, some 30, that had abortion ban laws previously when Roe v Wade was opinioned are not in full effect, unless that state during the years took them off the books.

The only reason why conservatives and RW anti-abortion advocates want this to go to the states is becaude you guys think that is where the advantage was. You obviously thought that about Kansas on when Kansas decided to put that State Constitutional Referendum to a vote during a primary and not a general election in November.

 

The SCOTUS had already ruled that the People have a fundamental right to travel. No woman has been prohibited an abortion if she wants one.

The RvW ruling was correct, there is no authority for feds to regulate abortion.

Opposition to the RvW ruling is just a wedge issue that the left is using to flog the right. Republicans would do well to listen to their constituents on this topic rather than dig in their heels.

 

There are some of us who believe that a right should not be subjected to popularity contest.

 

A fetus is not a baby. Even The Bible doesn't treat it as a person. Roe decided that a fetus becomes a person at the 3rd trimester which is more generous than The Bible. And you can forget about the total destruction of the DNC not gonna happen as Kansas has shown us

 

It is true. The MS law upholds free-choice abortion for 15 weeks.

Fake News. MS law does not control FL or TX.

No one said otherwise.

Your fellow Leftist ran and hid rather than answer this question, perhaps you will as well.

Under Dobbs, women may freely abort until they pass the 15th week: are folks that agree with that standard "Pro-Life" or "Pro-Abortion"?

 

The present, or rather upcoming situation doesn't bring security. State laws are susceptible to change according to the majority of the moment.

The only sure solution would be an amendment to the US Constitution.

 

They are pro-choice, period.

 

Then tell then to get the issue on the ballot.

 

Apparently, you do not see the irony you keep producing.

 

And what about mothers who are confronted with the fact the child will not survive birth, or if they do, their quality of life will be greatly diminished?

Where's that program where you step in to adopt THAT baby?

 

That's makes sense to me.

The standard that SCOTUS refused to strike down in Dobbs, is a pro-choice standard, it's just not the radical hair on fire, most extreme standard that the most extreme on the Left hold.

I just don't see how the Left is going to be able to conceal that obvious fact over the long haul. And so these polls that ask are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, like this one that @LangleyMan posted:



Those that support abortion only until 15 weeks - but not after - the MS standard.
Or 13 weeks - Most of Europe and all of France, Or Kansas - until 22 weeks, are they pro-life or pro-choice? In reality they are both.

And that's where I think most of us are. Now 6 weeks is such a short standard that it wouldn't be unusual at all for a woman to be pregnant and not even realize it, so, I would doubt that any person who considers themselves "pro-choice" would support a 6 week standard, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that many pro-choice folks support a 12-13-15 or 22 week standard.

 

The Constitution isn't silent, there's the 14th Amendment.

Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

Section 1 on why women should not be subject to abortion laws. Section 3 is why Trump shouldn't be allowed to run again.

 

Rights don't seem to mean much to you.