Why did nobody tell Trump that it would be a bad idea to get Ukraine to investigate Biden?

same reason no one in Trump's businesses told him he was doing it wrong before they went bk... Trump is a narcissist that only wants yes men around him, he has too fragile of an ego

 

And why there should be a full investigation into the matter including who in our government who may have been involved.

 

I can see right now, no probable cause.

 

He was just the messenger.

 

The messenger on what, He wanted to use foreign aid for his personal gain?

 

It was US policy to force the corrupt prosecutor out of office.

 

That's interfering in a country, which you hate.

No?

 

Why did nobody tell Trump that it would be a bad idea to get Ukraine to investigate Biden?

He didn't get Ukraine to investigate Biden. He tried but failed. Biden hasn't been investigated yet.

 

Was it US policy to use a quid pro quo in doing it?

 

That is a lie. You embarrass yourself when you use Trump as your source. Trump did not mention corruption in Ukraine in neither the April 21 phone call or the July 25 phone call. He brought up that lie after the House began investigations into the whistleblower complaint and everything went public. .

 

Yes, Trump failed in his bribery attempt. In mid-September the House began looking into the whistleblower complaint and on Sept. 11 Trump lifted the hold on the military aid.

In other words, he got caught.

 

It is a bad Idea to work for Trump and tell him ANYTHING he does not want to hear....if you stick to the "Yes Sir, You're amazing Sir, Whatever you say sir" act you are safe.

 

So then Biden wasn’t acting on US policy? Link?

 

If we did that, we'd never find an end to these investigations. I say we investigate the Bidens, and if we find them corrupt and guilty of breaking the law, we make an example of them. This should send a clear message and bring an end to this culture of corruption.

A lot of people are engaging in this type of get-rich cronyism for their friends and family, and many of them are in Congress or carer employees of the federal government. They may cooperate if they can punish the Bidens, and privately agree to end their own, similar corruption.

 

Are you trying to say Obama played a part in using taxpayer aid, in a personal matter, to blackmail Ukraine into ending an investigation into corruption, shielding his vice President's son from possibly being implicated in crimes or corruption? Do tell.

Just because a president is doing something, does not always make it legal or ethical. The Trump-haters certainly have no problem adopting that line of thinking, why should Obama be immune from people adopting it with his actions?

LBJ and JFK, and FDR, and Wilson were all either known for doing, or accused of doing some very unethical and illegal activities and using their position as president to commit abuses of power. Of course, we never found out until fifty years after the fact

 

Obama made Joe interfere in another country's internal criminal investigation to shield Hunter from possibly being implicated in criminal activity, don'cha know.

And we all know that Democrats believe that the president sets foreign policy, and it's never for personal gain, and always proper and above board.

 

I'm still at a loss to understand why Bidens using aid leverage to block the investigation of corruption in his son's position is not a problem for the democrats-
But Trumps suggestion that it should be looked into is.

When and if the truth behind that becomes clear, we will know who should be held accountable- and who is trying to pull the wool over the people's eyes.

 

An interesting analysis here by Chris Cillizza.

A new CNN poll shows that half the country believes that President Donald Trump should be not only impeached by the House, but also removed from office by the Senate.

That result is being spun in some corners of the internet as great news for Trump, because that 50% number is unchanged from a CNN poll in mid-October, the conclusion being that the last 10 days of public impeachment hearings have not convinced more of the public that the President needs to go.

Except that we are missing the forest for the trees here: A majority of the country believes the current President of the United States should be impeached and removed from office!

A quick check of history shows how strange that is.

The peak of support for the impeachment and removal of then-President Bill Clinton in 1998 was 29% in CNN polling. That's the highest that number ever went, despite the fact that the House Republican majority did vote to impeach late that year!

Ditto impeachment sentiment for the two presidents between Clinton and Trump. In a 2006 CNN poll, 30% of the public wanted George W. Bush impeached and removed from office; in 2014, 33% said the same of Barack Obama. (Unlike Trump and Clinton, neither Bush nor Obama ever faced any sort of formal impeachment investigation or vote.)

What those historical numbers tell us is that for at least the last two decades, there is roughly 30% of the country that is ready to impeach a president (usually of the party to which they do not belong) at all times.

What makes the Trump number so remarkable, then, is that 20% more of the public is now convinced not only that he should be impeached but that he should be removed from office -- despite the fact that, unlike Clinton, Bush and Obama when those CNN polls were taken, Trump will face voters in a bid for a second term in less than a year's time.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/trump-cnn-impeachment-poll/index.html

 

The truth is not in doubt. The problem is, Trumpets like you reject the truth.

This is from the transcript provided by the White House. This is what Trump told the Ukrainian president.

"I would like you to do us a favor though. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

No hearsay, no second or third hand testimony, the quote above is straight from the horse's mouth.

So, is this.

At a recent briefing, White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney blithely described quid pro quo. “What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted a reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in [Trump's] foreign policy.”

According to the new ssrs poll, 59% of college educated Americans feel that Trump should be impeached or removed from office.

The demographic group most opposed to removing Trump was non-college educated whites at 56%.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/26/trump-impeachment-poll/4305749002/

 

There are only Eunachs left in the WH. No one there to speak truth to power and tell Trump what he should hear not what he wants to hear.

Pence got de-balled way before the inauguration.

 

You have a bad habit posting truth and the American way. But keep it up.

 

Good news!! I want to update something. Trump staff does not use sugery to make Eunachs anymore, Pence was the last one. I hear that they use chemical castration now days on any male who accepts a position in the WH or any cabinet or high level position.

Anyways that is what I heard! LOL

 

No, he cannot because it never happened.

 

Now We Finally Know: Notorious Kremlin-Linked Oligarch Paid For Giuliani’s Trips
Josh Kovensky - 7h

Rudy Giuliani had his travel expenses covered by an indicted Ukrainian oligarch’s company as he sought dirt on President Biden, the New York Times reported this week.


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It’s a bombshell that requires us to think back, before the election overthrow attempt, before two impeachments, to 2019, when Giuliani was gallivanting around former Soviet states seeking ways to smear Trump’s likely opponent.

reported that Firtash’s firm paid thousands of dollars for Giuliani’s travel in summer 2019, including for a stay at the Ritz London and for private flights.

Giuliani and Firtash have issued similar responses to the Times’ report: Giuliani, via an attorney, claims that the former mayor had “no idea” the oligarch was funding the trips. A Firtash representative told the Times that the oligarch was unaware, too, claiming the payments were due to an “inadvertent error” and that Firtash did not authorize the transactions.

The implication of the cash flows, as the New Republic noted, is that a pro-Kremlin oligarch paid for Giuliani’s efforts to dig up dirt on former President Trump’s political opponent at the time: Joe Biden.

A close look at Firtash and allegations around his past connections and dealings, sheds more light on who financed Giuliani’s summer 2019 activities.

Gassing out

The big scandal that first put Firtash in the crosshairs of the DOJ had to do with the gas trade between Russia and Europe, via Ukraine.

It’s a topic that’s familiar today, as Moscow throttles gas flows to Europe as part of a pressure campaign to diminish support for Ukraine’s defense.

But in the mid-2000s, it was all about the money and, eventually, the corruption: in 2006, nonprofit Global Witness released a report identifying several intermediary firms in the gas trade between the states with murky ties to political leadership in the countries. The scandal had the potential to be huge, with billions of dollars in profits reportedly being siphoned away from gas flows into Europe via the intermediaries

Reports identified the beneficial owner of the firms as Dmytro Firtash, a then-unknown businessman. It set off a race among journalists and researchers to answer basic questions about the man — including what he looked like.

Over time, more has come out.

Firtash emerged from the wild ’90s in Western Ukraine, a former firefighter and driver who nearly bled out on the floor of a bar in the former Hapsburg city of Chernivtsi after a 1996 shooting.

By 2001, Firtash resurfaced as an intermediary between Central Asian governments and the Europe gas trade.

Over time, suspicion mounted that Firtash was linked to Semyon Mogilevich, a notorious Russian mobster who remains on the FBI’s Most Wanted List with a $5 million price on his head.

Firtash and his representatives have strongly denied any ties to Mogilevich, but diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks suggest otherwise. Then U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor (a name familiar to those who closely followed Trump’s first impeachment) authored a series of cables based on meetings he held with Firtash. In one of them, Firtash purportedly said that he only got into business after receiving approval from Mogilevich.

Federal prosecutors never charged Firtash with anything having to do with the Russia-Ukraine-Europe gas trade, or with Mogilevich, though they have described him as an “upper-echelon” associate of Russian organized crime.

The indictment that came down in April 2014 accused Firtash of arranging the bribery of Indian officials to gain access to mining concessions.'

cont:
link:
Now We Finally Know: Notorious Kremlin-Linked Oligarch Paid For Giuliani’s Trips (msn.com)

 

Stands to reason, Russia in bed with Trump, who would have thunk it.

Russia trying to corrupt Ukraine again after the Obama Admin and all of Congress supported cleaning up Russian corruption in Ukraine pissing Vlad off.