Abortion ban amendment shot down in Kansas doesn't bode well for Repubss

At the moment of conception. A fertlized egg is exactly what a human being is at that stage of development. Is there any other stage of development when it's OK to kill a human life? Age 2 maybe, or age 80? At those ages human beings can be just as inconvenient for care takers as a baby developing in the womb.

 

We are talking in terms of life, rights to live. Not adulthood responsabilities and abilities. Please keep up.

 

Argumentum ad passiones has no place in logical debate. Everyone has the ability to get whatever care they need. A hospital can deny your requests, but they cannot prevent you from going to another hospital to get what you want.

 

A human zygote is not a 'baby', It's an unwanted growth if you weren't trying to get pregnant. As a man how would you feel if some strange religion were to tell you that a tumor in your intestines was a creature with a soul according to their theology and that you were not free to just "murder" it but that it had a life of its own you were bound to respect?

Freedom is the right to not engage in an activity too, or are you one of those maintaining that freedom of religion only means you are free to choose among them but not free to simply have none at all

 

Oh, I'm in favor of people having choices, and abstinence is a choice. People who exercise choices also have responsibilities.

 

What a hopelessly lost and horrible .. and simply false argument. The majority do not want to kill babies .. what pipe you pulling on .. think such a thing ?

The majority do not accept abortion close to time of birth - or after - as moral.

I call nonsense - back up this claim that the majority want to kill babies ..

 

I mean...the act of abortion is ending the life of the baby inside of the mother.

Killing a baby in the name of bodily autonomy. A baby that was made on purpose by willfully partaking in the one action that can create a baby.

So if you are pro.choice...you are pro.killing a baby.

 

What are you talking about --- Abortion when ? Are we talking banning oral contraception in the case of potential accidental pregnancy ?

"A Baby that was made on purpose by willfully partaking in an action that can create baby"


?? When are you claiming this "Baby" exists ? you have put no boundaries .. in any way defined what on earth you are claiming is Killing a baby.

 

So if my religion says you are murdering your feces by using the Loo we can arrest you for not being constipated?

 

I didn't say anything about arresting, did I?

 

Sure .. and non abstinance is also a choice .. what has this to do with "responsibilities" ? In the case of an unwanted/accidental Pregnancy .. the responsiblt thing to do is abort the process of baby making ASAP .. both parties should be responsible for the cost as a consequence of their choice .. split the cost of the abortion pill .. cost of transport .. and so on.

So .. agree that aborting ASAP is the responsible thing to do 100%

 

How are you planning to prevent abortions?

And answer my other question, please. What if I say it is part of my religious theology that growths in your body have a soul and a life separate from yours which you are obligated to respect; are you obligated to cancel your surgery?

 

A silly and fallacious argument. Assumes a human being is present at the zygote stage. "Assumed Premise" fallacy mate.

This is a debate on whether or not a human exists at "X" point in time during the process of human creation.

You crying from the Peanut gallery "It Exists here" with nothing to substantiate that claim.. is not an argument - for anything .. and in fact not an argument at all.

A human being is nothing at that stage of the creation process .. as it does not yet exist-- that anyone can show .. and you havn't even tried to show... we all supposed to "Just have Faith" .. in your belligerent prognostication ..

A Monster Fail mate .. tis the adult room .. need to up your game .. least to the level of understanding what an argument is..

 

Well, that was not your other question, was it? You keep obsessing about such things as "arresting" and "obligated to cancel." I've never said anything about forcing people to make moral choices. Everyone is free to make immoral choices, and I'm free to call you out on it.. You seem incapable of understanding that. Being challenged seems to outrage you. That says a lot about your guilt and insecurity.

 

I mean you can say that all you want but I really just did

 

You do know most woman go on to start families with responsible fathers that stick around after aborting at a young age. Especially regarding cases like that 10 year old.

How many lives would have not been created if she was stuck with her abusers baby? Think about that reproductive right.

Those 63 million abortians may have lead to the creation of even more babies that will actually be loved,so that's just a failed concept to consider.

 

Why would women die?

 

Say all what ? When are you claiming a baby exists ? .. state what your position is... and give support for claim ? Did you wish to ban the abortion pill or not ?

Sup mate .. having trouble understanding what your position is ?

 

Ya the all mighty leftist go to, MAY HAVE.. Without the hypothetical the leftist points are simple make believes

 

Ok so again...a new unique human life begins at conception. That's when life begins. That when the unique individual is created.

 

They are already - this will put them at greater danger. Pregnancy has risks and the SAME procedures used for abortion are also used for miscarriage and “threatened miscarriage” How do you tell the difference between the two WITHOUT seizing and examining the woman’s personal health files? There are already women in miscarriage, wanted pregnancies, who have had to fly to another state whilst bleeding and risking sepsis, to have an “abortion”

 

No it actually starts at implantation

50- 70% of fertilised eggs never implant or do not develop after implantation

 

Infant mortality rises if abortion is restricted because it allows for “birth spacing”

 

I guess the main difference between an abortion and a miscarriage is one is nature running it's course and the other is premeditated murder

 

Nature.