Election Results - 8/2/22

Just like with slavery.

 

It has nothing to do with Trump republicans, or republicans in general. It is not a partisan issue. The People are overwhelmingly pro-choice, regardless of political affiliation. The Kansas result illustrates that quite well. I think what has happened in Kansas is going to repeat itself in several other red states.

 

Kansas is not "the heart of red territory".

How did Arizona turn out??

 

Not even close.

 

Kansas voters had spoken and it was not to outlaw abortions in their state. Bottom line.

 

This is brilliant.

I'm particularly taken by the point in your second paragraph because I'm guessing we need better people to get a better electorate to get a better Congress.

I've often wondered why the US doesn't try to build better citizens.
Most citizens start by going to school.
And US schools are far too big.
Charter schools often have size limits because parents prefer smaller schools, as do teachers and most pupils. And they often cost less per pupil.

So why the mega dystopic schools?
Was it to produce cheap obedient factory labor - the stated objective for the 'modern' school system in the early 1900s.
Or to produce good soldiers, or maybe both?

 

Correct. Not close. Exactly the same

 

It "proves," no such thing, as most states that are changing their abortion laws, are not putting it to public referendums. Yes, l know the people vote for the legislature-- but when they voted for the current legislatures, it had not been known that Roe was going to be overturned, hence, that this would be an issue, their representatives would be taking up.

You should be able to see that, if Republican politicians, writ large, believed in what you are saying, about leaving it up to citizens/their state representatives, then no legislature would do anything until after the next election (that is, the people choosing which candidates to represent them, on this issue). Or, any action prior to that would be taken to the voters, as was done in Kansas.

We will see how well the residents, especially the female ones, in states that have leapt to change their laws on abortion, feel that this issue had been left "to themselves, to choose."

 

But those elected officials can find themselves thrown out at the next election if they go against the public's wishes? That is democracy and those officials had no idea that Roe would be thrown out. This proves that GOP voters are not the stereotypes many leftists would like to paint them as.

 

I agree.

But he has the pull to get good guests, and his team does a good job of talking to them.

Some on his team are very, very good.

 

They are all talking heads who parrot the democrat talking points they are told to spread. Propaganda nothing more.

 

Except for the ones that are Republican, or former Pentagon brass that aren't interested in politics, etc.

SSDD, you are talking about something about which you know nothing. Of course there are politics, just as there is for the crap you consume. But there is a real world out there, and unlike you, they try to deal with it.

 

That's a very interesting point however I would argue that slavery inherently runs against the values of the Constitution which covers the country as a whole, the court says access to abortion does not qualify as that so it is not an issue for them to deal with.

 

You do not respond-- after your starting off, saying that the GOP is for the will of the people-- to my question about why the other states, passing highly restrictive laws against abortion, are not, like Kansas, putting it to a public vote. As to the idea that these Republicans believe what they are doing is in service to the will of the majority of their constituents, that idea could only be swallowed by one who accepts that there is any politician out there, who pays zero attention to polls.

So you are really changing your thesis, from Republicans being the champions of local, citizen decision-making, to Republicans, on this issue, courageously following their own consciences, and being willing to let the chips fall, where they may.

The truth, however, is a bit less noble. First off, it is not the job of Representatives, to misrepresent the voters, because they think more highly of their own perspectives. In cases in which the two markedly differ, it is the politician's job to make his own case to the people, to convince them of his superior way of conceiving of the issue, and win them over.

Secondly, the calculus, for pols changing abortion laws, is that there are far more "single-issue" Pro-Life voters, than there are on the Pro-Choice side, at least so far.

As I'd said, it should be interesting to see how it pans out, come November.

 

No, remember the SCOTUS are not elected, the GOP wanted to give people the choice and now they have. The people of Kanas' vote just proves that Repubs are not the stereotype you take them for. The fact that people can democratically decide the laws they want means it won't be an issue.

 

I think Jefferson was well aware of the effect his phrase "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..." was going to have over the long run. Slavery was never going to survive.

 

Just because the SCOTUS says the federal govt. should have nothing to do with this, doesn't mean that state governments need to tighten up abortion restrictions-- there seems to be some cognitive dissonance occurring, on your end.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.go...22-state-laws-after-overturning-roe?_amp=true.

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On June 24, 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the 1973 abortion ruling, Roe v. Wade, and immediately set off a wave of legislation across the nation. Republican attorneys general, governors and lawmakers rushed to activate trigger laws and introduce bills to ban abortion, while Democratic counterparts moved to file lawsuits and legislation against the ruling in a last-ditch effort to preserve reproductive health-care access.

As of July 19, based on data from Politico, ABC News, the Guttmacher Institute, NCSL and other news outlets, abortion access was illegal in 10 states with 13 other states’ access being severely limited or at-risk of becoming illegal soon. But the nation's abortion landscape has continued to shift in the weeks following as laws have taken effect, been blocked or delayed.
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The only way that this, "won't be a problem," is if voters toss these impulsive politicians out on their ears. The wrinkle in that plan, are the gerrymandered voting districts, created after the 2020 census, which have been rigged-- including being found to be this way, by at least one of the state's own court systems-- so that, from a practical perspective, it is impossible for Dems to take control of the state legislature, or even a single chamber. In Ohio, for instance-- and I am only giving rough numbers, to convey the general idea, of what I'd heard-- a 55% majority vote for Democrats is anticipated to deliver them only about 1/3rd of the legislature; in Texas, it was even worse.

I would be less than surprised, if there was a correlation between the states most lopsidedly gerrymandered, for Republicans, and those most avidly limiting abortion rights. Either you are terribly duped, by the Republican game plan, to call this "people... democratically decid(ing) the laws," or you have mistaken me for someone who is gullible enough to be convinced of that whopper of a mischaracterization.

 

It mainly has to do with economies of scale.

Cheap and competent factory workers are why Western Cultures have come to dominate the modern world, or would you rather be a goatherd in Indonesia?