Abortion ban amendment shot down in Kansas doesn't bode well for Repubss

Dodge

There have been a couple of recent examples of physicians who were performing abortions outside of the normal legal framework. They were operating without oversight. The most famous of these was Gosnell. Without allowing some legal course for abortion there will be more Gosnells than you could count and it is highly probable that these illegal abortions will be carried out as part of organised crime because that is what happened here in Victoria and the corruption went all the way to the top

 

Woman who have abortians at a young age have been proven to go on to start productive families.

 

But how do you determine which is which? Doctor declares he/she is doing the procedure for a “threatened miscarriage” how is it to be determined that that was not the case without breaching that right to privacy? Do you investigate EVERY D&C, D&E? Do you investigate every time a script for an abortifacient is written or do you not investigate and turn a blind eye to those things happening because that is what happened here - Look up Bayliss and Cullen. The police actually seized patients records and were made to return them and destroy evidence

 

Yes Nature is the most prolific abortionist

What you are demonstrating is that you have a lot yet to learn about this

 

This statement shows total disregard for a lot of women who are currently going through very dire situations: in some red states, abortion is no longer performed and being forced to go to another state in order to get an abortion is nothing like a holiday vacation as you seem to imply.

 

Ya, soooo? Thats's not what I replied to at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Why don't you care about those lives that were created?

 

Of no fault but their own. I think if I were a woman, and I know what Women know today, I'd take very strong personal responsibility for the consequences that will befall me, myself and I! Damned if I'd put my wellbeing and trust in the hands of some horny guy(s) that generally think with his/their small head and not with his logic noggin!

 

Are you redirecting now?

 

About what, unprotected sex, ignorance, lust above logic, abortion above contraceptive, no jimmie, no gimmie.. Really not all that complicated for the intelligent!!

 

Simple question that addresses your abortian numbers.
Without those abortians many more lives would have been forfeit. Why do you not care about those lives?

 

Yeah, sure, you are better and you know better.

 

With the knowledge of a male, you damn right I'd no better as a Woman when it came to unprotected sex.. Tell me, as a man, "I'm assuming" you are, would you allow unprotected sex knowing what men are like as a man

Be honest!

 

I already addressed it, just tell me what you need me to parrot and then we can be done with this never ending nonsense between you and I

 

I made no such implication. Getting a freaking ABORTION is never a vacation. It's not easy to do, whether you live in the apartment above the clinic and have a rewards card where the 5th one is free, or you have to drive, or have the person who knocked you up drive you, 100 miles.

In my unattainable utopia, there would be NO abortions, because they are barbaric and morally reprehensible. People would PLAN their pregnancies and happily and willfully carry them all through because it's what they want. It's utopia, right? Government prohibitions and meddling are not the way to approach that utopia.

I have nearly a decade of history as pro-choice on this forum. I advocate and seek truth and eschew partisan propaganda. Please keep your argumentum ad passiones fallacies out of any conversation you wish to have with me in the future, so that there can be some chance of truth and concensus.

 

OK .. so again . running around crying "A baby exists at conception" .. does not make that claim true. .. is not an argument ..

What part of "Is not an argument" did you not understand.. what part of "Naked Claim" is giving you trouble.. what part of "Assumed Premise Fallacy" do you not understand ?


Now Prior to you setting about making an argument .. saying something that shows your made up claim is true .. know that the claim "Life begins at conception" is demonstrably false nonsense ... however, don't let this dissuade you .. it is up to you to show your claim true.

 

I detailed exactly the logic behind my reasoning. The science behind it. It hits the three criteria I hold for being a human life.

Is it alive
Is it human
Will it eventually grow into a human adult

There is no third ingredient that gets added during pregnancy to suddenly declare the thing as now being human life. All that happens is growth and time. It already is what it is. It just needs time to grow all the things.

Any characteristic you demand the thing to have developed before you finally acknowledged it to be what it always was...

 

Very respectful indeed!

Of course you cynically ignore that some women abort because of their medical condition, physical or mental, or when their pregnancy is the result of rape. Some of the red states allow abortion in these circumstances, others don't.

 

Did no one ever correct you on point #3 ? "Will eventually grow into a human Adult"

1) The vast majority of pregnancies will not result in a human adult .. as such .. by your reckoning no baby ever existed .. and further nothing prior to a born human would satisfy your condition .. so no human exists there either.

2) even if the previous was not true .. claiming something will be something in the future .. does not support the claim that this something exists now .. aka "The Potential" argument. That the potential for a human to exist at some later date has value .

3) A zygote . nor its 200+ progeny .. all clones of the parent .. each able to individually create a human .. will ever grow into a born human adult.

On all 3 counts .. your criteria is preposterous rubbish .. not showing the zygote is a human .. in any way shape or form... and for sh'ts and giggles .. we can add a 4th .. a sperm fitting your criteria as well as a zygote

and do remember -- ALL 4 - you must refute as each .. refutes your poor attempt at substatiation of claim.

 

One should be careful of legislating for the statistical outliers. Accomodations can, and should, be made for them, but one should focus on doing the best good for the most folks.

In my opinion, state laws around abortion are going to get better, not worse, for women. Propagandists need to keep people angry into the midterms, so they won't tell you that.

 

I think you are being ridiculous. Lol. If the baby doesn't make it through pregnancy then it hits the first criteria.

Lol.

It was a baby up until that point. The absolute lamest attempt to circumvent the criteria.

See...cancer cells are negated. Sperm. I love it when dipshits try to use sperm as a gotcha. Each will never grow into a full grown adult. It's just not what they are designed by nature to do.

But a fetus in the womb is a baby, growing. On its journey to becoming a full grown human adult. That's what it is designed to do by nature. Because that's what it is. And that growth doesn't stop until it is 25 years old. It's not potential. That's what separates it from any of your lame comparisons. That's what it's designed to do.

Keep trying! I'm entertained.

 

What do you mean keep trying .. you did not address any of the 4 refutations .. never mind refute all of them. So we will now go baby steps .. you unable to handle more than one refutation .. at a time.

1) Sperm - have chance to take part in the creation of a human .. just like Zygote .. Neither will ever grow into a full grown human adult - Ever .. as that is not how the science works .. a term you laughably used previously .. but have little or no understanding in this context .. Obviously .. as that is "Just not what the zygote is designed by nature to do"

Complete fail .. then we can move on to #2 .. also a complete fail not that we need any more .. your position crucified on the first arrow .. but ... would be kind of fun to fling a few more .. at your horribly unsubstatiated position .. a position on which you desire to force others to do your will .. via threat of physical violence .. at a time period even prior to the zygote...

Is that what the RINO's are serving up as kool-aid these days .. traitors to liberty .. and the founding principles these folks .. and you been drinken hard

Strike 1

 

I hope both political parties don't allow the fanatics continue to control the debate because they will go for the extreme position which is why the overturning of the stupid 1973 decision (which allowed abortion for up to 24 weeks) was a great event to end this endless debate once and for all.

Since the CDC has shown that 93% of all abortions occurs in the first 16 weeks, why not make that as the starting number for deciding the cutoff date for legal abortions?

 

None of this makes any damn sense. You haven't refuted anything. You just agreed why sperm is not a human life and then declared "complete fail".

btw...Zygote...is just a label used for the period of growth.

At conception hair color, eye color height skin shade, sex, blood type both of which could be different to that of the mother are laid out. Because of what it is. It is all the building blocks of the individual. All it needs is nourishment and time.

Sperm has a life span of a few weeks. Has none of this. It's simply an ingredient. Cancer cells? Nope.

Keep trying. It's like you are stomping up and down while blabbering nonsense.

 

You are the one blabbering nonsense .. unable to address the scientific reality before you.

The Zygote will never become an adult human .. you claimed only things that "WILL" become an adult human are "Babies" People.

A zygote can never become an adult human .. what part of "Thats not how science works" and "Complete fail on your part .. did you not understand. you are in contradiction with your definition .. spewing biological falsehood .. touting yourself as one of skill in science.

and No -- contrary to popular belief .. you may be forgiven for this one but since you brought it up .. and so you don't repeat this other falsehood .. The Genome is not set until implantation .. No "ontological unity" until then .. but that is another story.

Zygote .. will never become an adult human .. nor will any of the 200+ clones of the zygote that come after.. each with the individual ability to create a new human..