Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act, warrant reveals

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Is Trump in panic mode? As I understand it, some TS/SCI docs have been recovered, these are highly sensitive documents to which he has none of the qualifications necessary to declassify the docs. As I understand it, Trump's classification authority is NOT absolute with respect to materials regarding nuclear weapons, their manufacture, their protocols and specs, etc.

    Hmmmm, the plot thickens....

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/12/fbi-agents-trump-search-mar-a-lago-documents

    Donald Trump is under criminal investigation for potential violations of the Espionage Act and additional statutes relating to obstruction of justice and destroying federal government records, according to the search warrant executed by FBI agents at the former president’s home on Monday.

    The search warrant – the contents of which were confirmed by the Guardian – shows the FBI was seeking evidence about whether the mishandling of classified documents by Trump, including some marked top secret, amounted to a violation of three criminal statutes.

    Most notably, the search warrant authorized FBI agents to seize materials from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence to investigate crimes in connection with the Espionage Act, which outlaws the unauthorized retention of national security information that could harm the United States or aid an adversary.


    The other statutes listed on the warrant include [...]


    18 USC 2071 Concealment, removal or mutilation
    18 USC 793 Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
    18 USC 1519 Destruction, alteration or falsification of records in Federal Investigations

    Some carrying ( as I understand it) sentences of up to 20 years in prison.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    . . . It's going to be very difficult providing an innocent explanation for why he would keep top secret info in his personal possession.
     
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    He will lie, the followers will believe

    I still don't think he is going to jail and he will still be the frontrunner in 2024, but I would love to be wrong. Just don't see him ever going down for any of this
     
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    Traitorous POS45.....let that sink in, wow!
     
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    Hmm go with the Comey excuse or Hilary excuse seemed to work well.
     
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    Using the wrong server is going to provide more cover for intent than keeping clearly marked top secret documents on in a personal safe after you've been told for over a year to turn them over and you've even ignored a subpoena to do so.
     
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    Server at house with classified information on it versus a secret server protected house. Using email to send classified information in unsecure facilities and traveling to countries on unsecure networks. Go watch the Comey Press Conference, you don't get to change history because it makes you feel good because she claimed she didn't know what the C on the document was lol. Time to put up or shut up and my fear is dumba$$ Garland and the left just gave Trump the golden ticket over 11 documents that were documented and filed by the GSA as packed and delivered. No one was stuffing documents in their pants like Berger. The left better get ready you're going to be let down unless they found something else besides these 11 documents.
     
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    Fox News’ Bret Baier Shuts Down Trump: ‘Obama Documents Were Handled Properly’
    Matt Wilstein
    Fri, August 12, 2022 at 3:31 PM

    As it becomes increasingly clear that Donald Trump may have violated the Espionage Act by storing “top secret” government documents at his private residence, the former president has turned to a familiar excuse: Obama did it too.

    “President Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified. How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!” Trump posted on his social media platform Friday.

    But shortly after that, Fox News’ chief political anchor Bret Baier took pains to inform viewers that Trump’s whataboutism is meritless.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-bret-baier-shuts-203149469.html

    That's got to hurt.
     
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  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Trump kept them for that long because it took that long for the KGB to return them
     
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    You are thinking like a typical lefty. :-? Actually its a common easy mistake. You are grabbing those Christmas cards, and a couple of sycophant letters from your partisans in your final days in office, and right there, in the middle of the pile are these boxes of highly classified top secret files, dealing with our nuclear arsonal. You grab, board AirForce one and off you go. When federal govt officials ask over and over for the files, you naturally think they are talking about those Christmas cards, and letters. So you get obstinate, a little stubborn about a thing like that, especially if they get huffy and rude. They are your cards and letters, after all!

    Misunderstanding that got a little out of hand.
     
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    Bahahahahah that’s what y’all raided his residence for?

    The Dems are going to get destroyed in the election

    BTW I know you think it’s fine but the rest of the country is going to find it awfully coincidental that y’all are going after him for a crime you can’t present evidence to the public for because it’s classified bahahah the Dems are done
     
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    Lol, I love the satire, excellent job
     
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    It could have just as easily happened to the Carters or Obamas when they were packing their things. Moving day is a hectic stressful day!
     
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    Trump is under investigation (another one) for violation of espionage act.

    But as usual, there are nothing to see.

    Trump can count on your unraveling support.

    The cult.
     
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    "You're honor, there's a perfectly innocent explanation. You see, after I got fired from my job, I was gathering my personal facts, and I accidentally went in to a secure location and left with a bunch of proprietary company information. And I would have turned it over sooner, but I just kind of thought the company was acting like jerks when they asked for it back and that the policy were acting like jerks when they sent me a subpoena, so I didn't want to."
     
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    Yeh, 11 little pages with troop positions on them which he had forgotten to copy for the Taliban so he gave them the originals. Nobody who lost relatives there will have any problem with that.
     
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    So three felonies is nothing to y’all.
    We are shocked! Shocked I tell you.

    He was right though — nothing he does would make you waiver. Let’s see what it does to the independents that decide elections.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    The whole thing rises or falls and what is found. As far as I can tell what was found has not yet been revealed. trump's argument of declassification will not hold up if there are nuclear documents there
     
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    Trumpty Dumpty is about to have a GREAT fall.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    If he is harboring nuclear documents With the TS/SCI classification he can be indicted weather he intended to take them or not
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I will file that in the "Unicorn Dreams" file
     
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    Oi!!!! "Humpty Trumpty." Send royalty cheques please!
     
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    It was too good to pass up, what with the double entrendre and all.
     
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    Yeah, it's a ripper. I tried to flog the concept to the Dems in the last election but they never contacted me.
     
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    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...resident-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
    Any document means any document. It's going to be a steep hill to argue this in court. It will probably take years (at least past 2024) to reach the SC. By then he'll be POTUS and will either pardon himself or have the VP do it.

    The kangaroo court better hurry things up and they're ever going to "get" Trump!
     

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