The complete Sovietization of the Democrat party

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  1. RodB

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    And the hits just keep on coming.
     
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    1) Yes. Ask any Rightest if they're for self-reliance, or for dependence.

    2) It's the literal opposite of collective production. If you didn't produce it (you as in your specific collective - ie, your family/village/co-op/farm/small business, etc), then you PURCHASED it.

    3) Which has what to do with this?
     
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    Trump met them at the front door in Feb.
    You don't know that... not allowing anyone in there to watch them is just another way to plant evidence.. grabbing everything in sight and going out the door is just the recipe for planting evidence...... not giving the trump residence the search warrant is another recipe for foul play..

    The FBI is not to be trusted after the fake dossier, Whitmer kidnapping, spy's in the Trump campaign...

    In February

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    There was nothing organized about Jan 6 except by the FBI to instigate an event. The rest was simply a mob following the herd mentality after the far out groups and the FBI infiltrators/ handlers got things started.
     
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    This is why we can only laugh at elected Democrats
     
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    If you live in a democratic country you have a right to think that Trump followers are so stupid gullible people that were easily used by FBI and radical Right. You can even believe that rain is the urine of angels.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    And electricity comes from walls?
     
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    No, I don't agree. People can't be self-reliant in a modern society.
    Your opinion is not shared by many people, and certainly not by me.
    Socialists also run universal public education.
    Taking away folks' private property doesn't necessarily mean they're being controlled successfully. Self-reliance is impossible in an industrial society.
    Who do you think agrees with you? Communists? No. Democratic socialists? No.
     
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    It's not "news," fake or otherwise. Rather, it's as assessment of your source.
    This makes no sense. My two sources aren't a "clip of the FBI speaking."
    A vapid insult. I never said I was a good or bad educator.
    You're having enough difficulty thinking without telling me what I think.
    I think your sources are wildly biased.
    This behind a paywall. :no: :no: :no:
    Who cares if it was friendly or not? Trump was allegedly holding documents he wasn't supposed to have.
    Why would Melania's closets be off limits in a search?
    We'll see what the FBI took and why if Trump agrees to releasing the search warrant info.
     
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    "Collective production" doesn't have to be consumed by the people who produced it to remain collective production.
     
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    POLL: Mar-a-Lago Raid Backfires Spectacularly on Democrats.

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    Attacked School Board Parents As 'Terrorists'.​

    "The obvious political persecution of the former president. People notice when you put that kind of banana republic nonsense on top of a horrible economy."

    How bad is it for these heavily armed bunglers working in the interests of the DNC?

    "The majority of Independents, 53.9%, believe Trump’s political enemies are behind the FBI Raid. They join 76.7% of Republicans who hold the same view. The two groups are also aligned on enthusiasm to vote based on the FBI raid. The spectacle increased the motivation to vote for 83.3% of Republicans and 71.7% of Independents."

    “Independent and Republican voters are united in their outrage about this unprecedented and tragic event in American history. It’s clear to voters that the FBI raid is designed to punish the primary political enemy of the regime in power. This gestapo-style injustice has created a voting surge that is so significant, the polling doesn’t even begin to reflect what is coming from grassroots voters in November.”

    Two-Tiered System Of Injustice:

    "Nearly 80% of voters already believed we have a two-tiered 'justice' system. Significant majorities believe that federal agencies are too big and too political."

    First Garland claims that he will only speak through his filings, then the seditious creeps leak this to the lying fake news media:

    The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents.​

    "Ridiculous. If the “confidential human source” told the agency precisely what President Trump had and where it was, why were they there for close to nine hours? Do we really believe that there were classified documents in Melania’s underwear drawer? The entire story reads like something out of the Babylon Bee."

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    You're going to need to expand on that if you expect it to advance your argument.

    Then again if you're suggesting that purchased goods and services are somehow 'socialist', then there's little likelihood expansion will render it sensicle.
     
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  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I'm agreeing with you actually, but your argument about roads is rather weak. The Interstates were largely financed by the Interstate Defense Highway Act of 1956.
     
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    That's not what I said. Go back and read it again.

    When your numbers reach the point where goods and services are necessarily bought and sold, you're no longer able to function collectively. Collectivism means a shared purse and work to eat, and that's not possible when engaging in capitalist commerce and the buying and selling of labour.
     
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    I'm not going to dance with your definition of collective production.

    Government-run public schools are "collective production." So, too, the police and military.
     
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    They cannot be, when the fundamental premise of collectivism is common purse and work-to-eat. All you have is people using their own private money, to purchase the labour/goods/services of others. That's the antithesis of collectivism. It's not even limited barter - which is about the extent of trade within the confines of a collective.

    The services you're talking about are paid for (both their inception, and in their ongoing trade) by people who don't personally have any skin the game. It's quintessential free market capitalism. The police, military, public school, highways etc - would all operate exactly the same way no matter who owned them. In the case of public utilities, they're paid for via taxes. That does not make them socialist.
     
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    And this has what, to do with collectivism? Govts get their money via taxes, and spend it on goods and services we then use. Good ole' capitalist commerce, regardless!
     
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    Nope, sorry.

    Definition of collectivism

    1: a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distributionalso : a system marked by such control
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I said I agreed. There's really very little Socialism in America, even of the types that Capitalism, (a misnomer and Unknown Ideal, like Socialism) allows, such as employee-owned enterprises which would seem natural for a country so enamored of Unions. They would eliminate so many disputes, but then we Americans always did like a good fight, though we're terrible at them.
     
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    Lol…well, at least he’s not trying to spout his nonsense in the current events forum for a change.
    What’s become obvious is that maga has now morphed into a mirror image of islamic extremists.
    The nut job who attacked Salman Rushdie claimed he was defending the prophet mohammed from insults and now the maga gang are threatening civil war and violence because we dare to insult their great orange hope.
    We must be ready to crush the extremists who will engage in violence when trump is indicted.
     
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    1. If you want self-reliance, then you will need to be barred from the grocery stores, convenience stores, retail stores, gas stations, etc, which is dependent for you. You are dependent on someone else to provide for you. Everything and I do mean everything, must be grown or produced by you individually. How many "Righties" will go for that? None? Because they want it both ways. They want that "self-reliance" but also want that "dependence" because they can't handle the things they take for granted.
    2. You are speaking of socialism from a political viewpoint. What you need is socialism from an economic viewpoint. This is the application, not the definition. Anything that is public, from public works in the 1930s to Social Security to Medicare to public libraries, etc, all of that are examples of socialism. It is not political socialism, which is where you are getting your definition. You just need to learn the difference.
    3. Everything.
     
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    If that happens, I expect the "culling the heard" would be in order.
     
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    I'm getting confused with the tete-a-tete among you, @crank, and @LangleyMan. Neither public roads (including federal whether constitutional or not) nor public schools have anything to do with socialism other than unless one redefines "socialism" which is not uncommon here. Socialism is far more than government simply spending money on stuff.
     
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    You've created a definition of collectivism that makes socialism impossible. It's just nonsense.
     
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    I'm going to take a wild guess that you haven't exactly spent a lot of time outside the US?

    If you took a head count, I'm guessing there are probably about FOUR actual stalinist/communists living in the US and three of them are most likely over 90.

    As I asked you in another thread (to which you never replied): we both live in California; can you detail any number of actual policies in CA (for instance universal healthcare, gun control) that are more to the left than Canada?

    If not, then what you are saying is that ALL Canadians are Stalinist/communists because they are way to the left from a policy perspective than even we are in CA.

    That's the difference between hyperbole and truth.
     
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