I don’t trust Garland, the DOJ, the FBI, or the Biden administration (explained). Do you?

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Do you trust Biden, Democrats, DOJ, Garland, FBI?

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  1. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    Do you trust anyone going after Trump? I don’t, let me explain why.

    From day one Trump has been attacked with crazy talk and a proven fake Russian hoax. He was attacked by republicans that literally hated him more than Obamacare, the very same Obamacare that they ran on getting rid of then couldn’t do it just to spite Trump. He is not a life long politician and all life long politicians hated him for it. The phony Russian dossier sparked three investigations that could not come up with any evidence of Russian collusion but it was sprayed on every news outlet in the country.

    Secondly, they could not find proof of this collusion so they went after him for obstruction of justice based on a completely false dossier. If that dossier never existed there would be absolutely no premise for obstruction because there was nothing to obstruct.

    Third they went after him for Jan 6th. Now that date will live forever and rightfully so. It was and is a stain on our democracy. That said those who attack him on that completely ignore the fact he told them to peacefully protest in his speech. All while ignoring the attempted murder of Kavanaugh after Lori Lightfoot literally made in her exact words “a call to arms” against the Supreme Court for a leaked opinion on abortion. So if her call wasn’t a call to violence then Trumps call dang sure wasn’t.

    fourth, the FBI literally has hunters laptop with evidence of wrongdoing that the media on the left are actively acknowledging its existence and not a single charge or search of Hunters belongings. But he’s a family member of a life long politician. Coincidence, I think not. But they keep on spewing equal accountability under the law. What BS that is.

    fifth, now they ransack Trumps offices. After 2 failed attempts to impeach and remove, a huge fake Russian dossier, tax audits, and all complete political attacks from the left that failed they are going for a hail marry at the end of the fourth quarter. Again led by the DOJ, and FBI, and Democrat controlled house, senate, and Whitehouse. Is there any doubt they wanted to do it while they had ultimate control of all branches? I don’t think so.

    sixth, in a system where there is supposed to be checks and balances I don’t see a single one thus far in the attacks against him. Everything is controlled by democrats right now and even the judge donated extraordinary amounts of money to obamas campaigns. They wouldn’t dare take it to a conservative judge.

    Trump is being attacked by the establishment the same way Russia attacks their political adversaries within their country. He’s a threat to their control and that is the sole reason they are going after him.

    every single person going after him has a personal reason to hate him. Garland was never granted his chance at the Supreme Court, Biden’s son was brought to light by him, the FBI is utterly embarrassed by his ability to prove the dossier they ran with was completely ridiculous.
     
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    Has it occurred to you that the reason he gets attacked by so many people and institutions, is because he is a low-life piece of garbage, with no respect for anyone, anything, or institution that stands between him and something he wants, and that includes the laws of this land?

    Its something to consider.

    If you have the whole world against you, something is wrong with the whole world or something is wrong with YOU.
     
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    Anyone who had dealings with Trump prior to his being President know that most of what Trump is facing is a Karma Debt.
    He treated his sub-contractors like crap and just about ruined the lives of everyone in Atlantic City - ruined the
    lives of the students at his University, and cheated on his wives, and used such crappy moves that his charity had to be shut down.
    You reap what you sow.
     
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    Occam’s Razor

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    But somehow that never factors into the “logic”
     
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    And this is what I will NEVER understand about people who STILL think he is the best thing since sliced cheese. He had a long history of being a rich entitled narcissistic scumbag LONG before he went into politics. He was even turned down for a casino licence in Sydney because of “mafia connections” (Roy Cohn) get that - he was too dirty even for the crooked NSW cops!
     
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    True.

    I literally don't get how Republicans suddenly thought that a guy with a long history of lying and cheating should suddenly be trusted
    above everyone else. It's a complete disconnect from the reality of Trump.

    He publicly cheated on his wives. He publicly disrespected his sub-contractors. He publicly misrepresented his University.
    He publicly misrepresented his charity. And yet, every MAGA dude thinks the guy is trustworthy. It's insane. They believe
    him over the generals that were in his Cabinet. And not once do they ask themselves if Trump is really the hill they want
    to die on ...
     
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    @Joe knows

    Your argument as to why the FBI, the Attorney General, the DOJ, and the Biden administration, cannot be trusted (with regard to Trump, presumably), makes an extremely weak case. For example, those you cite as going after Trump, were politicians. This does not cover, now AG, Merrick Garland-- nor do any of your arguments!

    Your points betray that your true intent is only to attack President Biden, and the Dems, not to lay out a logical rationale, for one to disbelieve any of Democrats' allegations about Trump. If that had really been your focus, there would have been no need, whatsoever, to rehash the grist from the rumor mill, about Hunter Biden's laptop.

    Also, there is the patently fallacious underpinning, to your main argument that, first, the things that these politicians have tried to use against Trump, turned out to be false. You cite no evidence, to this effect; that is, just because Democrats' attempts to impeach Trump, did not result in convictions, is not at all the same as proof that Trump was innocent of those allegations.

    But, beyond this erroneous assumption of your argument, you seem to be making the case that, because some members in elected office had pursued, supposedly bogus allegations, this means that it became impossible, because of the failure of these efforts, for Trump to ever commit a crime, after that point-- as all crimes, are prosecuted through the justice system, which is an arm of government. That any charge, now lodged, by anyone in government who has ever issued a harsh word against Trump, in the past, must automatically be considered baseless, is a ludicrous supposition. It is almost as ridiculous as your "call to arms," argument-- again, really having nothing to do with the idea you are supposedly promoting-- that the power of Lori Lightfoot's words, on general citizens' behavior, is in any way, comparable to President Trump's influence, over Republicans in general but, more specifically, over those adorers of his who had travelled to Washington, from around the nation, to help their leader "stop the steal."
     
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    I absolutely love all the responses so far. Not one pertains to any of which I mentioned. Just more hate and that is it.
     
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    I only had to read this part to know you did not read my post in full. Read it again and then come talk
     
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    That's quite the rebuttal there. You been on the school debate team long?
     
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    I think it's very hard to be objective going after Trump. Because he's provocative and easy to hate. He took previous behavior and disdain towards people, politicians, the media, military and upper-level law enforcement to a unprecedented low in terms of language, attitude, ferocity & bile.

    So I don't trust that any of these institutions have a pure heart when viewing Trump. They don't like him and he has in one way or another existentially threatened them.

    However, with the exception of some politicians and media I think that law enforcement and the military are too strong as institutions to succumb to their personal feelings about Trump. I think his behavior simply makes their job a whole lot harder, but in the end they are going to treat Trump on the basis of objective reality & facts - not feelings. They are not going to do Trump any favors, no. But this doesn't mean that they cannot be trusted to be meticulously professional.
     
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    "the whole world"

    Yes, "the whole world" or just the plastered MSM "TOOLS" that are "Shills" for the orchestrated global PYSOPS that the Technocrats are bamboozling the weak minded with. Those who buy into this farcical pseudo government bullshit are the ones who are not smart enough to see through this effective "divide and conquer" nonsense from these same selected mouth pieces and "puppets" that you claim are "the whole world".
     
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    Guess what? You were wrong, in what you knew. If you really had any counter argument, to my charge that you include Garland among those you don't trust, yet never give a reason that could be applied to him, you would simply have quoted it from your OP, yourself. I imagine you must be thinking of your number 5. But this is seriously back-asswards reasoning. You don't trust anything Garland says about the raid Mar-a-lago, because his Justice Department, raided Mar-a-lago? They only raided it because: 1) Trump took many boxes of sensitive, classified documents with him, when he'd left the White House-- this is a proven fact. 2) Trump had not returned the documents willingly, despite months of the Justice Dept. trying to get him to do just that.
     
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    Since he lied to all those he hired or worked with in the past, even decided not to pay some, there's no reason to trust him.

    Since he lied about Mexico paying for a wall, there's no reason to trust him.

    Since he lied about repealing and replacing Obamacare, there's no reason to trust him.

    Since he said he takes no responsibility, there's no reason to trust him.

    Since he failed the country during a pandemic, there's no reason to trust him.

    Since he was impeached 2X, there's no reason to trust him.

    Since he got voted out as an incumbent because he was a terrible leader, there's no reason to trust him.

    Since the was involved in trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power after getting fired by the American people, there's no reason to trust him.

    Since he could now be under investigation for stealing classified documents of the USA, there's no reason to trust him.
     
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    He claims they were all declassified so to that so called factual claim is false until it is examined in depth
     
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    Despite relentless attempts he has had zero convictions. But much like if a cop followed you around day and night they will likely catch you doing something they could give you a citation for. That’s exactly what all this is. They have tried everything and keep on trying. Although they have not been able to do so they keep at and I’m sure sooner or later they’ll get something just as that cop would if he stalked you night and day.
     
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    False.
     
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    And you think that justifies usurping the system to use it for a political weapon?

    As misguided as your opinion is...
     
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    They don't trust him

    They don't CARE

    Trump is a White Supremacist. He, and most of his more rabid minions, think that the ONLY things that government can do that matters is to advance the interests of the White. "Aryan" race. NOTHING else is of any real consequence.

    In other words, he hates the right people.

    Everything else is folderol, deception so the other races won't revolt.
     
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    True
     
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    So much whining!!! LOL!

    Trump finally got caught and he's going to prison.
     
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    I've never seen any evidence that Donald Trump is a white supremacist.
     
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    Then you have examined none of his actions and accepted all his words.
     
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    I loathe hearing Donald Trumps voice so much that I usually change the channel the moment he starts to speak.

    And just because his actions impact blacks in a negative way doesn't make him a white supremacist.
     
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    This post of yours which, coincidentally or not, immediately follows my first reply (post #7, in the thread), could not be more false and, sadly, I do not see how you could not be aware of this. I went through your argument, addressing nearly every point you brought up, such as that Hunter Biden's laptop has absolutely nothing to do with your supposed argument.

    Since you erroneously charged that you
    knew I hadn't fully read your OP, based on my reply, & instructed me to do so, in order for us to debate your points, I will make the same suggestion to you, about my reply, about which, the only argument you have addressed has been my 1st: that you had offered no reason to indict Merrick Garland's honesty. To this, your dismissive answer alluded to your point that, merely because the DOJ had been forced to go onto the Mar-a-lago premises, to recover government property-- classified and top secret (& probably even beyond that restricted level) documents-- was enough cause, to disbelieve everything he says. Does this mean, had Garland come out publicly with the accusation that Trump possessed these vital national security documents, pertaining to nuclear weapons, you would have taken his word for it? I am sure you would have asked, "Where is the proof?" But if the FBI has to use a warrant, to get the proof, you claim that is evidence of their own bias, and corruption. In other words, you will only believe Trump is guilty of anything, if he turns himself in to authorities, and confesses?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/i-don’t-trust-garland-the-doj-the-fbi-or-the-biden-administration-explained-do-you.602807/#post-1073657461


    By the way, I would very much like to know what parts of my reply you consider to be indicative of "just more hate." Or is that the term that you use, to apply to any logical thinking, which results in a conclusion that is not to your liking?
     
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