The Alternative Ukraine Thread

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    This is in addition to substantial earlier gains around Kyiv and Kharkiv.
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    Ukrainian counteroffensive advances one village at a time
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    Do they?

    On the Kherson front lines, little sign of a Ukrainian offensive

    MYKOLAIV REGION, Ukraine - On the front line in southeast Ukraine, there is little sign that a major counteroffensive is brewing.

    For weeks, Western intelligence and military analysts have predicted that a Ukrainian campaign to retake the strategic port city of Kherson and surrounding territory is imminent. But in trenches less than a mile from Russia's positions in the area, Ukrainian soldiers hunker down from an escalating onslaught of artillery, with little ability to advance.

    "It's to our left side, our right side, over our heads," said Yuri, a 45-year-old soldier with the Ukrainian military's 63rd Mechanized Brigade said of the incoming fire, which has intensified over the past week. At night, Russian forces make reconnaissance missions that probe the tenuously held farmland. "It's a more tense situation," he said.
     
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    Ukrainian Forces Make Some Gains in North, South
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    12 hours ago — Ukrainian forces in the north saw some gains in territory recaptured, including areas near Kharkiv ... 12, 2022 | BY DAVID VERGUN , DOD News.
     
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    Russian Offensive Campaign ...
    Key Takeaways

    • Russian forces conducted ground attacks east of Siversk and northeast and southeast of Bakhmut.
    • Russian forces conducted ground attacks southwest and northwest of Donetsk City.
    • Ukrainian forces destroyed the last functioning bridge Russian forces used to transport military equipment near the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant.
    • Ukrainian officials confirmed additional Ukrainian strikes on Russian ammunition depots and a logistics point in Kherson Oblast.
    • Russian regional officials may be misrepresenting percentage fill of newly formed volunteer battalions.
    • Ukrainian partisans are likely targeting Russian occupation officials and Ukrainian collaborators who are preparing for the sham annexation referenda to disrupt the Russian annexation of occupied Ukraine. . . .
    Ukrainian forces continued targeting Russian logistics points and ammunition depots in Kherson Oblast. Kherson Oblast Administration Advisor Serhiy Khlan reported that a Ukrainian strike rendered the last bridge Russian forces used to transport military equipment and ammunition to the Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant inoperable on August 12.[25] The Ukrainian Southern Operational Command also reported that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian ammunition depot in Vesele and in the Beryslav district of Kherson Oblast.[26] Ukrainian airstrikes struck a Russian stronghold near Andriivka and a concentration of Russian manpower and equipment near Bruskinske.[27] . . . .

    Ukrainian partisans are likely targeting Russian occupation officials and Ukrainian collaborators who are preparing for the sham annexation referenda, probably to disrupt the Russian annexation of occupied Ukraine. The Ukrainian Resistance Center reported that partisans targeted the head of a local election headquarters belonging to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s United Russia party in Melitopol on August 12.[42] The official, Oleg Shostak, was hospitalized in unclear condition.[43] Russian outlets referred to Shostak as the public relations head for the Zaporizhzhia Oblast Occupation Administration and the head of the "humanitarian headquarters." Russian occupation officials have been using United Russia party members to distribute humanitarian aid in exchange for cooperation with occupation authorities, including giving up personal data that can be used to rig the sham referenda, as ISW has previously reported.[44] The Ukrainian head of the Luhansk Oblast Military Administration, Serhiy Haidai, reported on August 12 that partisans detonated a car bomb targeting the unnamed head of the Inter-district Registration and Examination Department in occupied Starobilsk, Luhansk Oblast.[45] Ukrainian officials and partisan outlets framed attacks in recent days as the beginning of the "hunt for the collaborators preparing the pseudo-referenda."[46] Ukraine’s Strategic Communications Center warned on August 12 that “the resistance movement closely monitors collaborators, knows everyone by sight and name, and will not leave anyone without proper attention.”[47]
    Fear of Ukrainian partisan activity could very well be shaping the behavior of occupation forces. Mariupol Mayoral Advisor Petro Andryushchenko claimed that Russian proxy Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) forces shot down a Russian helicopter in the Staryi Krym settlement just outside of Mariupol, allegedly because the DNR forces were jumpy due to "fear of resistance."[48] The Mariupol City Council linked reports of the shooting to claims of discord within occupation leadership.[49] . . .
     
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    It's August. They have a long way to go to meet your deadline.

     
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    They're on schedule. When the Russian collapse comes, it will be swift.
     
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    We'll know at the end of the year. I was merely noting the lack of progress towards your goal since you made your prediction that we would be back to the Feb 24th borders by the end of the year.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned progress is right on schedule.
     
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    Ukraine says it has taken out vital bridge in occupied Kherson
     
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    Ukraine destroys Russian supply bridges, one-fifth of ground forces
     
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    another bad day at the office...

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    Russian Offensive Campaign ...

    Key Takeaways

    • Russian and proxy troops in Ukraine are operating in roughly six force groupings.
    • Russian forces conducted ground attacks north of Kharkiv City, northwest of Slovyansk, east of Siversk, and made unspecified gains around Bakhmut.
    • Ukrainian forces reportedly struck a Wagner force concentration in Popasna, Luhansk Oblast, inflicting casualties.
    • Forty-two states called on Russian forces to withdraw from the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar, just two to four hours before another strike hit Enerhodar.
    • Ukrainian forces struck the Antonivsky road bridge, likely keeping all three road bridges to and on the right bank of the Dnipro inoperable to heavy equipment.
    • Russian military recruitment and enlistment centers continue to face challenges in incentivizing Russians to sign military service contracts.
    • Russian occupation authorities continued rubleization measures and civilian data collection in occupied territories to set conditions for annexation referenda. . . .
    Ukrainian forces again struck the Antonivsky road bridge near Kherson City overnight on August 13-14, likely ensuring that all three road bridges into central Kherson Oblast remain unusable.[52] Ukrainian government sources confirmed that Ukrainian forces struck the Antonivsky road bridge and stated that military convoys cannot cross the bridge.[53] Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command stated that Ukrainian forces are continuing to target Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs).[54] Footage of the strikes shows explosions from the Antonivsky Bridge as the missiles likely struck Russian military equipment, ammunition, or fuel transports on the bridge.[55] Ukrainian First Deputy Head of Kherson Oblast Rada (parliament) Yuriy Sobolevskyi claimed that a significant portion of the Russian military command left Kherson City, likely to avoid being trapped in Kherson City if Ukrainian strikes cut off all GLOCs connecting the right bank of the Dnipro River to the Russian rear.[56] . . .
     
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    Ukraine Targeting Russian Troops at Nuclear Plant. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Saturday that any Russian soldier who shoots at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant or uses it as cover will become a “special target” for Ukraine’s military. His threat comes as Kyiv and Moscow continue to blame each other for fighting around the plant in southern Ukraine, which has sparked international fears about a potential nuclear disaster. British military intelligence says Russia is likely to reorient units to the region amid reports that Ukraine is planning a counteroffensive there and following Ukrainian strikes against the “last bridge” on the Dnipro river, denying Russia’s ability to supply or withdraw forces on its western bank. Separately, both sides continue fierce fighting in the eastern Donetsk region, where Russia claims advances in the key towns of Avdiivka and Pisky. Al Jazeera Reuters
     
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    Russia-Ukraine war latest updates - The Washington Post
    The fighting is fierce, heavy and it still isn't going to let up anytime soon.
     
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    Heh heh.
    Russian Ammo Depot in Crimea Explodes. Moscow says saboteurs caused a series of explosions at an ammunition depot in the northern Crimea town of Dzhankoi on Tuesday. Russia’s defense ministry said no one was hurt in the blasts, but that the explosions also damaged a nearby electricity substation, railway infrastructure and some residential buildings. Moscow’s statement that saboteurs were behind the attack was a rare admission that pro-Ukrainian groups are operating in Russian-controlled territories. The incident followed explosions last week at a Russian air base in Crimea. Reuters CNN BBC
     
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    Russia's navy has never been impressive.
    Russia’s Black Sea Fleet Struggling to Achieve Sea Control. Britain’s Defense Ministry said Tuesday that Russia’s Black Sea Fleet is struggling to exercise effective sea control. The ministry says that while the Black Sea Fleet supports offensives with long-range cruise missiles, it is maintaining a defensive posture and limiting patrols to waters within sight of the Crimean coast. The fleet’s limited reach prevents Russia from launching significant amphibious operations against ports still under Ukrainian control. Reuters British Ministry of Defense Twitter
     
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    Russian Offensive Campaign ...

    Key Takeaways

    • A reported video of LNR servicemen refusing to fight in Donetsk Oblast suggests further division among Russian-led forces.
    • Russian forces attempted several limited ground assaults northwest of Slovyansk.
    • Russian forces conducted multiple offensive operations east and southeast of Siversk and northeast and southeast of Bakhmut.
    • Russian forces continued conducting offensive operations northwest, west, and southwest of Donetsk City.
    • Russian forces conducted a limited ground assault north of Kharkiv City.
    • Russian and Ukrainian forces continued to trade accusations of shelling the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant.
    • St. Petersburg authorities officially denied summoning local men to military recruitment and enlistment centers for discussions of contract service.
    • Russian occupation authorities continued preparations for the integration of occupied territories of Ukraine into Russia. . . .
    Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command reported that Ukrainian forces struck Russian ammunition depots in Blahodativka near the bridgehead at Lozove, and Novopetrivka in northern Kherson Oblast.[41] Ukrainian sources reported that Ukrainian partisans blew up a rail bridge on the southwestern outskirts of Melitopol on August 13 that Russian forces frequently used to transport military equipment between the south and the east.[42] . . .
     
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    Slowly but surely.
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    Russian troops in south Ukraine squeezed as Kyiv ramps up strikes on bridges,
     
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    Russia launches missiles at itself in the nuclear plant it’s in charge of.

    President Zelensky says he was only joking about the Kherson offensive as Russian troops enter the city.

    NATO commanders says Ukraine forces are approaching outskirts of Moscow.

    Ukrainian forces say they nearly but not quite captured a hamlet of four houses and a farm somewhere no one has ever heard of.

    Ukraine reports heavy fighting in Crimea in which they were driven out of months ago and which Russia has now annexed.

    The media says all the above is true. :)
     
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