"Hate Crime", and it's terrible implications

if you don't know, that is fine, either do it, the cops keep that stat secret

 

as they should, As the Ahmaud Abery case was a 'hate crime'

 

no. They don’t. Law enforcement shootings are public record, minus that one in the capitol for some reason.

 

Right. And when a more deranged version of Trump gets into power and decides that looking at someone funny is a hate crime?

 

well you're free to provide those stats if you think they are out there

 

that is hardly what this case was, the prosecution still has to prove the hate crime portion of it

is your country planning to elect Trump? You all can have him

 

Not quite the point!

Once you decide that hate is effectively a crime, it can be applied to all sorts of things. The UK is already charging people for non-violent words and actions under such laws.

Just think about what that could mean in the hands of a Govt you don't agree with. Being okay with it just because you happen to agree with the current ideology, is freaking terrible.

 

One of the big problems with "hate crime" laws is how they "prove" the hate.

The reality is they almost always can't actually "prove" it, so they use other things as "proof".

The justice system is not always logical and fair, and that is just all the more the case when it is based off laws that are themselves illogical and stupid.

What I mean is the idiot juries still convict even when it hasn't actually been logically proven.
So that's why these laws are a bad idea.

A law that can't be proven, except with something unfair and illogical, only invites that.

Many progressives don't seem to be smart enough to understand this. Either that or they don't actually care about justice. It's just stupid mob mentality.

 

The legal burden of proof is exactly the same for the 'enhanced' status or aggravating factor as it is for a conviction of the crime itself. The state has to prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt and then the state has to prove each of the elements required to prove the 'enhancement'. In other words the evidence has to be pretty darn solid.

 

not what a hate crime is, it's not just about hate

a hate crime is a crime that is often small, but is done towards an entire group, to cause fear in that group

another example is the knock-out game, where a black person knocks out unsuspecting white people

such as paining "get out n-word" in blood on a black person's house to scare all black people from living there

 

can you give us an example?

 

For example, if a person calls someone a derogatory name after assaulting them. Then they end up getting lots more punishment just because they called someone another name.
Or if the the person who assaults a black person just happens to be in the KKK by coincidence. In other words, they will get punished for "racism", even though there may be no direct proof the crime was actually motivated by racism.

Understand the problem now? It just allows an easy excuse to punish people more for racism, even if it has nothing to do with the crime.

 

you mean like saying they hate white people after playing the knockout game? yep, that makes it a hate crime

it's like committing a crime while carrying a gun can add to the sentence, carry a gun is legal, committing a crime while carrying a gun is not

 

It's not possible to evidence 'hate'. It's an emotion like anger or frustration. It has no place being leveraged in the justice system.

 

Carrying a gun is a tangible behaviour and involves an actual object. Hate is a transient and unknowable emotional state.

 

And that's just under THIS govt. Imagine what a much worse govt could do with the precendent.

 

Again, it's not possible to evidence a transient emotional state. It's an absurd notion.

This is an ideological accretion, and a very dangerous one.

 

it's easy to show a crime was committed against a group, as in a "hate" crime if the criminal opens their mouth and blabs about it or there is video

 

many racists love to open their trap and tell us what is on their mind - that is when the hate crime charge is usually added

there is a reason it's smart to not talk to police, anything you say can and will be used against you

 

of course it is easy because white man is guilty by default it is actually written into illegal laws like "Affirmative Actions"

 

all races can and do have racists, and sadly many of them commit hate crimes

did you think only white people committed hate crimes?

 

Your post is an example of the dumbness I am talking about.

Why should an attack get much more punishment if there happened to be a racial insult during the attack?
Why should an attacker get more punishment just because he happens to be a self-avowed racist?

Just think about the stupid types of evidence that are likely going to be permitted into the trial to justify the "hate crime" enhancement. It's totally stupid, and people are too stupid to be trusted with this.

 

because the attack is not just directed at the victim, but an entire race

 

It sure is! We do it all the time in search for a motive for criminal conduct and we have been doing it for hundreds of years. Prosecutors having been proving hate, rage, avarice, and jealosy as reasons to kill, or attack, or vandalize, or commit treason or acts of terrorism, or steal, or even file for a divorce or withhold a child support check. For as long as we have documented on public trials. Without showing the jury a reason for the accused to commit a crime, you leave them with no reason to convict them . It does no good to put the accused at a crime scene, prove access to a weapon, and a possible narrative, and leave the jury asking 'but why would they, when they haven't before?' Sometimes, we call that 'reasonable doubt'. Motive often involves extreme often irrational emotional responses to stimulii.

Sometimes people attack or harm total strangers, that they never met before. We have to explore those motives as well and provide the jury a reason for them to do what they did.

You will do a lot better if you actually think before you post.

 

Everyone can hate someone, but only white men are punished with extreme cruelty.