Eric Trump reveals HE told Donald FBI raided Mar-a-Lago: Ex-President's son claims agents 'ransacked

spot on......well stated.

 

All this arguing over classified/declassified doesn't matter.
Trump could have declassified anything he wants, but not handling certain aspects of our national security doesn't hinge on being classified.
What if he declassified and then took a list of CIA operatives (spies) and then shared them with someone who should have knowledge of those things, putting those agents at risk.
The three charges on the warrant have nothing to do with documents being classified, just putting national security at risk.
What is amazing is these supposed patriots who are only interested in whether Trump is right or not, but are completely ignoring the national security risks.
Who cares if he says he declassified them, whatever. Did he put national security at risk?
Anyone who is defending Trump on this is putting man over country. George Washington is rolling in his grave.

 

Carter page was never president.

 

iInformative article on all the levels of Top Secret documents and the protocols they entail.
A real eye opener.

Here’s What Trump’s ‘Nuclear Documents’ Could Be | WIRED

 

Much better to have gotten exposed/blacked-out signatures wrong then to keep spreading lies that a president can declassify any damn document he wants to.
btw: Your not being a Trump supporter is an old worn-out ruse .

 

Maggie Haberman

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NEW: The surveillance footage the DOJ subpoenaed was for a 60-day period. According to a person familiar with the footage, it showed that after one instance in which the DOJ was in touch w Trump's team, boxes were moved out of the storage area.

nytimes.com
Trump Lawyer Told Justice Dept. That Classified Material Had Been Returned
The lawyer signed a statement in June that all documents marked as classified and held in boxes in storage at Mar-a-Lago had been given back. The search at the former president’s home on Monday...


Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
It prompted concern among investigators, who had had a lengthy back and forth with Trump's team by June. It was unclear if incident at issue was prior to the May subpoena, or the June 3 meeting, or after https://nytimes.com/2022/08/13/us/

 

Looks like he does have that authority.
PolitiFact | Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?

"The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
PolitiFact rules that the above is "Mostly True"

 

Ah…and now the hyperbole is creeping back in…

I do not have “certainty that everything Obama did was legit”…however, I wouldn’t accuse him of something for which there is no evidence, as you have done with the claim that he took thousands of documents with him from the White House…as the evidence suggests that The Stain did do…

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-documents-929954890662

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/12/na...trumps-claims-obama-took-classified-documents

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/12/trump-obama-national-archives/

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-obama-allowed-take-white-house-records-but-not-trump-2022-8

https://www.verifythis.com/article/...alse/536-c6e7c1ef-d9f8-4f86-99b9-b5d426488801

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-h...m-obama-kept-33m-classified-documents-1733434

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ump-wrong-suggest-obama-personally-kept-33-m/


https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...-classified-documents-rejecting-trumps-claims

 

excellent and well appointed post. Well done.
Puts it in perspective.

 

For all the investigators know, the boxes were moved perhaps in preparation to be returned to the archives. I of course have no proof of that, but it's as every bit valid as the imprompto warrant and seizure. But there was no evidence that the Trump team had willing deceived them, even with this msn article I read, the matter is that of Trump's beliefs on what is his and what is theirs. To me, the 1978 law is about to be challenged for the first time.

 

Do you not realise that the 3 laws under which he is being investigated do not require the documents to be classified….??!

 

"The statement is accurate but needs clarification and additional information, so we rate it Mostly True."


Told ya so!

'then to keep spreading lies that a president can declassify any damn document he wants to".

 

It isn't a lie, it's contested among the various agencies itself. As I've been saying, this case that Merrick Garland chose to open up will involve various novel arguments, on both sides of the contested areas. It's actually rather reckless that Garland will pursue a public figure like a former president, with such novel uncertainties in the courts.

 

Not Even the President Can Declassify Nuclear Secrets - The Atlantic

Snip:

"His successor, J. William Leonard, led the office under George W. Bush, and he confirmed the lack of general limitation of his boss’s power. While a president is president, Leonard told me, “the rules and procedures governing the classification and declassification of information apply to everyone else.” And that means Trump could have declassified whatever he wished (again, with specific limitations soon to be discussed) before carting it off to Mar-a-Lago. He would not have had to file paperwork—just “utter the magic words,” Leonard told me. He could have waved his hand over the U-Haul trailer as it headed out the White House driveway and down I-95 toward Florida, and there would have been no classified material in there to mishandle.

Leonard noted important caveats, however. First, Trump’s power to declassify ended with his presidency. Second, that U-Haul could be reclassified by someone else. (Depending on traffic and the sharpness of the Biden administration, I would imagine it could have been reclassified somewhere around Fredericksburg, Virginia.) And third, there are certain materials that presidents cannot classify and declassify at will. One such category of material is the identity of spies.


Another is nuclear secrets. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight. In the unlikely event that Trump came up with a new way to enrich uranium, and scribbled it on a cocktail napkin poolside at Mar-a-Lago early this year, that napkin would instantly have become a classified document subject to various controls and procedures, and possibly illegal for the former president to possess. Of course if he did so, no prosecutor would pursue him. A certain amount of leeway is crucial to the system.

If Trump was keeping nuclear secrets in the storeroom of his country club, without even the benefit of a padlock, and resisted attempts to secure those secrets against infiltrators and spies, a prosecutor might reasonably take more interest. After all, he’s the ex-president, not the pope".

 

I'm sure that Garland knows the law much better than you or me and knowing it as he does would make him "rather reckless" not to pursue the documents.

 

Whether he declassified the documents or not.....is not really relevant........as He them from their proper premises.......and that is the core issue It was known that he had done this when he left office..........so that put those docs at risk and potentially available for anyone that came to ML.

Intotoal........he had taken a LOT of boxes of sensitive material..........as if it belonged to him personally.

And folks are caught p splitting hairs and quibbling about details.

What kind of country is this when folks can get so riled up by one man that hey threaten the a major law agencies and the peple that work there ??

Has this one man not destabilized the nation enough??

 

Bingo!

Not Even the President Can Declassify Nuclear Secrets - The Atlantic

snip:
"And third, there are certain materials that presidents cannot classify and declassify at will. One such category of material is the identity of spies."

 

That kind of indicates that they are giving him absolute powers as if he is a dictator.

(which he is at heart)

 

excl-lent MJ........Thanks!!!... That is what I was thinking about.

The factual sequence of events as they unfolded....... until DT created the eruption........by drawing attention to his legal woes. in an attempt at garnering pity.

The MAGA gang under his control is scary...........as there is no limit as to what they are capable of when it comes to violence....

I see them on TV and wonder what alternate detention they inhabit.

 

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Neal Katyal

Trump’s Declassification Defenses Won’t Hold Up In A Criminal Trial Says Katyal
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Thanks for that. Izzy. Informative....... and clarifying.

 

So after 500 post you're an expert on who supports who on this site?
If you want to continue to profess fake claims your are more than welcome to do so.
The fact you don't know what the SCOTUS has ruled governing declassifying documents and are obviously unwilling to verify it yourself,
then come in here to call others liars,
only confirms your elected ignorance on the subject.

 

Funny, we actually have a constitution that governs most of that.
Now you only need to decide which party actually abides by it.
Do you think weaponizing the FBI, IRS, and other federal organizations is a solid foundation for support from you?

 

Since that is a total load of crap, who cares?

You don't even know what they seized but your mind is made up. That is a cult belief.