Damning Report on Afghanistan Pullout: WH 'Put Head in Sand'

So fly into Kabul and occupy that place until your hearts content. Again, I'm sure our service Men & Women will appreciate your willingness to go out there in their place.

God speed!

 

Just laughing at how many times you posted the exact same thing.

 

cause it happened, I will never let you forget it happened, especially when you all trying to blame it on Biden

if Biden made a deal like that with Terrorists, you would never let us forget it, and rightly so

 

As I recall you were quite supportive of the Obama deal with the Taliban for Bergdahl, so it's not about dealing with terrorists since you're supportive when your side does it.

The issue with the Taliban prisoners was that they were not classified as terrorists, more like prisoners of war who are generally released upon the ending of hostilities. So...are you saying that we should have still kept all Taliban prisoners, in perpetuity?

 

just admit it, Trump's deal was the worst deal ever, and the worst part is Trump did not start bringing people home, thus the deal was wasted

 

How was it the "worst ever?" Trump had nothing to do with the execution of the Afghanistan Debacle. That's why I thought it was funny that you mentioned the "5000 Taliban" for about the 200th time, it's a desperate attempt to make the disaster of our withdrawal from Afghanistan about Trump, instead of the one who actually gave the orders and executed his own plan, Joe Biden.

So your desperate squawking about "5000 Taliban" and blaming Trump for Biden's failure won't ever be not funny.

 

You are correct that the initial deal was signed Feb 29th 2020

Still Trumps deal, and Trumps plan……

 

Trump should have been working on getting civilians out for the months after the deal where he did nothing

Trump was a failure.... you're right.... not funny.... sad!

 

Trump should have been getting the civilians out? Wow this really is desperate.

 

Yes. Documenting Trump's and Biden's betrayal of the Afghans does not make it less of a betrayal.
Afghans were willing to fight. But we abandoned them on the ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com › outlook › 2021/08/19

Aug 19, 2021 — I have fought in two wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, as a Marine, and covered a third war, Syria, as a journalist. I've seen friends killed and ...

". . . And then the president said this: “American troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves.” The Afghan military has consistently, in any one year, sustained more casualties in its fight against the Taliban than we have sustained in all 20 years of our war there. I fought alongside the Afghans. I watched them save American lives. In one instance, when a convoy I was in was ambushed, our Afghan partners were the first to drive back into the kill-zone to pick up wounded Americans. To say they are unwilling to fight because their forces collapsed after we turned our backs on them is a slap in the face not only to our Afghan allies but to Americans — such as me — who mixed our spilled blood with theirs. . . .
Afghanistan is not my war. It’s our war. As much as we’ve heard about Afghans giving up the fight, we should not forget who was the first to leave the battlefield: It was us. Tell the Afghan soldiers who fought until they ran out of ammunition and were then slaughtered by the Taliban in Faryab province that they didn’t fight hard enough, or perhaps tell the same to the Afghan commandos who fought all summer in a desperate battles in Lashkar Gah. And we weren’t fighting only the Taliban in Afghanistan. We were also fighting their Pakistani and Iranian proxies who armed and trained them, as well as the interests of the Chinese and the Russians who in coming days will surely be among the first nations to recognize the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan."

 

Been there. Done that. And now I'm too old. No one should project his own cowardice onto others.

 

The Long War is before us, regardless of who does or does not "subscribe" to it. Pakistan and the Taliban have always had their frictions; they don't really matter. AQ and successor organizations will be sheltered and supported.

 

Trump made a terrible decision and Biden made it worse.
Did the Afghan Failure Lead to the Ukraine War?

Carl Blidt, Project Syndicate

". . . Contrary to simplistic arguments one hears in the United States, the immediate reason for the Afghan regime’s collapse was not that Afghan soldiers didn’t want to fight for their country. In fact, tens of thousands had fought and died trying to stop the Taliban, only for the US suddenly to withdraw all political and material support for their fight. The regime collapsed because America had decided to get out, the consequences be damned.

As we have since learned (again) in Ukraine, an army’s ability to fight depends on the belief that victory is indeed possible, even if the odds are against it. Once the US had signaled its intention to withdraw completely from Afghanistan, it embarked on a rushed evacuation. In short order, the Afghan army lost access even to the repair and logistics personnel needed to maintain the complicated weapons systems that had been supplied to it. No wonder morale among Afghan troops collapsed. When the US cut and ran, Afghan soldiers took it as a signal to do the same.

The context for the US withdrawal had been shaped by the shameful deal that President Donald Trump struck with the Taliban in February 2020. With that, America indicated that it no longer cared whether there was a viable peace or political agreement in Afghanistan. It would leave no matter what, effectively abandoning the Afghan government.

When President Joe Biden took office, he decided to follow through on the Trump administration’s policy – against the advice of many. The US political system had become fed up with its own failures in Afghanistan. As the US Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction noted in a devastating report that year, there had never been a 20-year plan for the country; instead, there had been 20 one-year plans. With every passing year, the US would announce a troop surge or some other tactic that was supposed to represent a turning point. Only rarely did US policymakers acknowledge that nation-building and peacemaking depend more on an abundance of patience than on a predominance of firepower. . . . "

 

Agreed. So why do wanna force our service men and women to go back cause you're too scared to go for them?

 

what? you don't think Trump should have been getting the civilians out right away, he released the 5000 Taliban prisoners right away - guess Trump had his priorities

 

I'm confident there would be sufficient volunteers.

 

True. But the point is in the minds of the Taliban Trump had no, as in zero, nada, zip, authority or power to execute his plan and enforce the agreement with them after election day November, 2020. IIRC Trump had a high level multi-agency group working out the specifics and details of the withdrawal which Biden killed soon after taking office.

 

Rod, If Trump had no power, then how did he withdraw all forces except the 2500 before Biden took office ? The equipment seized wasn't all seized by the Taliban in Kabul, it was at the bases thruout the country when those troops left, which was before Biden took office. The Commander in Chief was still Donald J Trump

The idea that Biden is responsible for an agreement Signed by trump, and executed by Trump, with literally no troops to do it with is absurd

 

Trump left office in January 2021, Biden ordered the final withdrawal in August 2021, a year ago. How would Trump have anything to do with it?

 

when did Trump make his deal... that is the part you're missing, why did Trump not get the civilians out long before then, like right after he made the deal

 

I'm waiting for you to explain why Trump should have gotten civilians out during Biden's Presidency and Biden's withdrawal plan. Weren't the adults in charge?

 

the Orange Stain should have got civilians out after his deal, during the many many months before Biden took office

 

That doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry but you need to get better talking points. It sounds ridiculous when you try to wing it without direction.