Mar-a-Lago Raid: “I never thought I would say this… The FBI is beyond redemption”.

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  1. Zorro

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    WE FIGURED THAT OUT A WHILE BACK: Victor Davis Hanson on Mar-a-Lago Raid: “I never thought I would say this… The FBI is beyond redemption”.

    A building number of people in this Great Nation are waking up to that.

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    The Biden Administration is very dangerous, but, we have all the tools we need to reign in these armed lawless factions within the Executive Branch that have completely slipped the leash of The Rule Of Law.

    "Victor Hanson: ‘We Don’t Have Rule of Law in Washington … FBI is Beyond Redemption’"

    "When asked about the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s home in Palm Beach, Fla., professor, author, and political commentator Victor David Hanson said, “right now, we don’t have the rule of law in Washington,” and added that, “The FBI is beyond redemption.”'

    While that's now undeniable, that's been true for a very long time.

    "Why the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago and why were they targeting Trump."

    “Well, they’re afraid in the short term,” he said, in reference to the Democrats and the left, “but in the long term they believe they’re morally superior to America, and therefore any means necessary or justifiable for their morally superior ends.”

    “And right now, we don’t have the rule of law in Washington,” said Hanson. “Whether you’re targeted or exempt depends on your ideology.”…

    Well, not long ago, Dems did the same thing to Blacks, they were lesser due to skin color. Now they have a new group to hate, that they hate due to ideology. There are enough GOP/Indies to break their lock, and quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if this realization breaks out among the rank and file Dems who have been going along assuming the Democrats were the Liberal (in the best sense of the word) party.

    "“Now we go after a president and go to his house with 30 agents,” said Hanson. “In the past, when a high official was called for a congressional subpoena, Eric Holder just said, ‘I’m not going and I’m not turning over any of this fast and furious.'” “The idea that you would put him in shackles or you confront him with his family and grab his phone is just ridiculous,” said Hanson. “But this is what we’re doing on an ideological basis.”

    Yes. And it needs to be stopped.

    85 days until the election for the House Majority, and with it, the oversight that is inherent in the House Impeachment power. These things need to be gotten to the bottom of, as every rogue political position in the Executive Branch, from AG to US Attorney, FBI heads, Cabinet Members, are all constitutionally subject to the House when it's operating in its Oversight capacity.
     
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    So trump is above the law. Got it.
     
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    Actually no as my most recent Op-Ed here well describes…
     
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    If I could meet anyone that has anything to do with politics, it would be Victor Davis Hanson. That man is one of the smartest men, I've ever seen.
     
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    I think this assessment is highly accurate. However, though it would be difficult, I don't think the FBI is beyond redemption. The line agents are still exemplary and competent, but they do what thy are told. The thorn is the upper echelon of both the FBI and the DOJ. Cleaning that house would be a challenge to say the least. DOJ and FBI have been corrupt for a long time, clearly evidenced by AG Lynch's tarmac negotiations with Bill Clinton in 2016 to get Hillary off the hot seat. Trump had an opportunity to make decent inroads into cleaning up the DOJ but he blew it by wrongly thinking he could mend fences by keeping the rogues of the deep state on board -- probably the biggest mistake of his presidency. Sessions was a super choice in that regard; he just surprisingly proved to be not as competent as everyone thought.

    It would be hard, but IMO doable even this late in the game and even though the corruption and the political militarization of the DOJ and AG are fully entrenched. As you say the GOP regaining the House and getting a majority in the Senate could go a long way, but it would not fully succeed while Biden is still in the white house.
     
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    there is no constitutional authority for a national police force, is there? why not challenge on those grounds?
     
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    So did Hitler's minions and the allies hung them for it. That's not a valid excuse for breaking the law. If your boss tells you to strap on a gun and go act unethically, you tell him to go to hell and you either whistle blow or you resign. I keep hearing about this mythical level of deep blue ethics in the FBI, but while everyone knows full well that they are whitewashing Hillary and Hunter while they are framing Trump, gee, no wave of resignations nor storm of whistleblowers. But, when the Left needed whistleblowers during the Trump impeachments, they were able to produce them at will. I call bs, I'm not buying it. Roll their essential services into the US Marshals service, keep their crime lab and dump the rest. They've been completely corrupt since Hoover, which is at the start, but we all wanted to believe the lie of the Lawman of deep integrity. Well enough of the bs, I've seen enough of their lies and underhandedness, and I'm so fkn tired of the leaking to the lying fake news media to spin their story even while they claim silence, how is anyone fooled by this crap anymore? Hunter's laptop was planted by Russian Intelligence to assist the Trump campaign? Are you fuggn kiding me? Who is dumb enough to swallow this crap at this point/

    They stole Trump's passport by accident? Then by accident, forgot to list it on the receipt, then by accident denied having it, when they had it, and then finally crap faced, they admitted they had it and returned it? They had to search Melania's drawers for nuclear secrets? How does anyone believe a word that comes out of their mouths?

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    Essentially, they rolled him, with the help of the GOP Senate that slow-walked his nominees and made it clear that they would not confirm replacements if he fired Sessions, who was worthless, or Rat Faced Rosenstein who was working with the liars that were illegally spying on him. Rat-faced Rosenstein even offered to wear a wire.
    It doesn't look like we're going to regain the Senate. But, it's the House that has the oversight power, if they'll use it. The problem with the GOP is that they view the majority as the point, when the majority is a means not an end. They will be perfectly happy to give rousing speeches, always on the verge of doing something big and then never quite getting around to it.

    It will help to take the House, but, the State Legislature races are equally important. In them are the real power that will likely be needed to return the Federal Agencies to the Rule of Law.
     
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    Is English your second or third language?
     
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    I think you're right, and now that Epoch Times is reporting that Jim Jordan says that in the last week 14 FBI whistleblowers have contacted him, there is cause for optimism.
     
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    Most FBI Special Agents are very good investigators. Investigators do not have to be armed and given the power to make arrests. Severely limiting the role and powers of the "FBI" might be an effective reform.
     
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    The ones who are above the law are the whole democratic team who pull the switches with the DOJ and the FBI. But, after Republicans take back the House, they will no longer be above the law anymore.
     
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    the fbi needs a severe housecleaning and reorganization.

    i said upthread that the federal police force is not an article 1 section 8 enumerated power. @Ddyad was the only person on either side to agree and i was only 1/2 serious. interstate criminals (eg the dust bowl era bank gangs), serial killers, crime labs, terrorism, etc do require extended jurisdiction and special training and expertise beyond the state police (who are really traffic cops).

    does the j edgar hoover culture of paranoia and kompromat dossiers still exist. i have to assume so. whatever they have on gaetz (as 1 example) they would obviously rather have him in congress voting for their budgets than charge him with a crime.

    they can also get entirely too cozy with their informants (whitey bolger for example) . i wish there were no need for informants at all, but this, like the constitutional purity argument, falls victim to reality.
     
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    Has the FBI ever failed to covertly attempt to influence any presidential election?

    "That same year, the bureau sought to quash the opposition of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade veterans with raids on its offices. But it was in 1948 that Hoover unleashed the FBI for the first time to further his own career. Like everyone who was not a member of the Truman family, Hoover assumed that Thomas Dewey would be the next president. Hoover’s former assistant William Sullivan recalled that Hoover believed if he used the bureau’s resources on behalf of the Dewey campaign, he would be named attorney General as a stepping stone to the Supreme Court and eventually to becoming Chief Justice.

    “Many agents—I was one,” recalled Sullivan, “worked for days culling FBI files for any fact that could be of use to Dewey.” After Dewey secured the nomination, Hoover fed him backgrounders on crime issues and information about Truman’s connections to Kansas City boss Tom Pendergast. The FBI also pressured HUAC chairman J. Parnell Thomas to jump-start its hearings after a grand jury brought no indictments from testimony by Elizabeth Bentley and Whittaker Chambers. As Drew Pearson wrote, “Those watching [Assistant Director] Lou Nichols note that he goes in and out of the office of [Thomas] like an animated shuttlecock.”
    THE NATION, This Is Not the First Time the FBI Has Interfered With a Presidential Election, By Jeff Kisseloff, October 31, 2016.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/a...-has-interfered-with-a-presidential-election/
     
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    hoover very famously disliked both kennedys as well. i don't think he actually had them killed, but it isn't like he worked very hard to find the conspirators.

    maybe there was a commie menace in that 1950s era, but certainly la cosa nostra was an immediate threat to law and order. hoover famously denied that organized crime existed
     
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    Secret police organizations tend to be very deadly, disloyal and ultimately self destructive.
     
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    AFAIK virtually no German soldier was hanged or imprisoned, probably up through the rank of colonel and a tiny minority of generals and top advisors were punished. In fact we welcomed hundreds with open arms. BTW, we might have had much greater success in Iraq if we had done something similar.
    The agents do what their bosses tell them to do.
     
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    14? After how many years of this politicized corruption?

    That sounds like all the more reason to break up the FBI.
     
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    The lying scum of the FBI/DOJ/AG are probably hiding the affidavit because it reveals that Dick Cheney assured them that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Melania's closet.

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    Just 84 more days, and we start the process of Restoring the Rule of Law to these Rogue Federal Agencies. Liz Cheney's defeat was but a promise ring of the fuller reward to come!
     
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    So basically, the people complaining about the FBI are complaining about another crappy choice that Trump made hiring someone in position
    of power. Do not forget, Trump HIRED Christopher Wray to head the FBI. So ANYONE complaining about how the FBI is run is also
    complaining about how Trump failed once again in hiring someone (remember Omorosa, The Mooch, John Kelly, Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn ...)
     
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    No he is not... but neither is the DOJ and their corrupt and communist tactics. Neither is Biden... Neither is Hillary... and you and I are not either...
     
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    Sorry but you think trump is.
     
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    Correct, Trump made terrible hiring choices. Or do you not agree?
     
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    I Think in 84 days those Rogue Federal agencies will start the process of investigating and destroying anyone elected who even thinks about restoring the rule of law.
     
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    People calling the FBI rogue are encouraging domestic terrorists.
     
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    Well that sounds like a line from "The Lives of Others."

    Do you have a Stasi background?
     
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