Family says fatal shooting case shows ‘stand your ground’ defense doesn’t work for Black men

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  1. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

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    This happened right after George Floyd. I might have gone with a misdemeanor charge instead of a felony charge. Inevitably, there have been comparisons to Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman:
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For some reason, the link just keeps bringing me back here.
     
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    "Wilson, a biracial Black man".

    Done. Another in an endless series of idiot racebaiters, this one shooting into a truck.
     
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    Space_Time Well-Known Member

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    That's strange because if I click on the link it does go to the article.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Try this one
    https://news.yahoo.com/family-says-...our-ground-georgia-marc-wilson-213221643.html

    But I have been commenting about this for a long time, It is much more difficult for a jury to believe that white people appear threatening to a black guy, then it is that they'll accept that a black guy seemed threatening to a white guy. And it's not because the jurors are "racists". This is simply how systemic racism works.

    In the end, it makes it legal for white people to kill black people in circumstances like these, but not the other way around... And that's what "stand your ground" was designed for.
     
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    It wants you to open a file, YOU FIRST :)
     
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    I remember this, he shot randomly into a vehicle and killing an innocent girl, the thread was extensive here on PF. I think the overwhelming tone of the post was, he could have evaded but chose to shoot carelessly into a vehicle killing a passenger not guilty of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time..

    He is lucky 10 years was the max.. MPO as a gun owner, it was a stupid thing to do..
     
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    LOL no, no that’s not what it was designed for at all. You clearly have not read up on the law and you’re trying to make everything about race again. Since the jurors you just claimed aren’t racists then they would have no issue making the distinction.
     
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    To be fair, when cops do it, it usually turns out to be 'justified.' I assume the vehicle (and thus driver) was posing a threat to him? Otherwise its straight up manslaughter.
     
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    Since this did not happen in his home why is it racist that he still has to stand trail. It is very hard to get of free without a trail outside your home. Think Zimmerman and Rittenhouse. But I get it, everything is racist to people on the left. And as of yet I have not seen anything of substance from the otherside. Does anyone know what happened for sure? If his story holds true, I hope he walks for this.
     
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    Right is the way Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately there still are some racist out, and that is what feeds people from the left. Crying racist is the go to move along with sexism.
     
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    Either it was designed for that, or they're too stupid to be lawmakers (I'm talking about when it passed here in Florida), because it was announced that things like this would happen. I don't think they're that stupid.
     
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    Are you understanding what this thread is about? It's not about standing trial. It's about how "stand your ground" laws work great for white people but not so much for black people.

    Everybody knew this would be the case when the laws were passed. But the self proclaimed "pro-life" party couldn't care less about human life. So they passed them anyway.
     
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    And I love how you left out the rest of my post which makes it very clear that I know this about stand your ground. Why do you think I brought up Rittenhouse and Zimmerman. If you failed to read the rest of my please do so and try again.
     
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    I stopped reading the second you started talking about being racist to stand trial.

    A tip: if you have a point to make, start your posts making your point. Don't start with some unrelated garbage. People tend to get bored and stop reading when you do that.
     
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    Marc shot at a truck in front of him, indiscriminately. There were no marks on Marc's vehicle indicating he had been hit (he claimed they had tried to run him off the road), IE: No evidence they tried to run him off the road. There is evidence that 3 of the boys in the truck ahead of Marc were shouting obscenities and maybe slurs. There is no evidence that the girl who was killed by Marc said or did anything aggressive.

    Every gun owner knows that you do not shoot your gun indiscriminately. You aim, make sure your target is not obstructed by anything, and then shoot. Hell, I'm not a gun owner and yet I know this.

    Shouting obscenities at someone, or slurs for that matter, is not a valid reason for "stand your ground" laws to take effect.

    Involuntary manslaughter seems like a good charge for this. And that is what he was convicted of.
     
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    Why would a jury think a black guy is more threatening than a white? What would make them think that way?
     
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    That's all "Stand your Ground" requires you to claim. And it works very well if you're white. Not so much if you're black. 33% less, in fact. According to a study commissioned by Trump
    https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/2020/04-06-Stand-Your-Ground.pdf
     
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    Except, there is no evidence that they tried to run him off the road. If there was evidence then there would probably be a case for it. But there is none, so stand your ground does not apply. Even self defense cases require proof.

    As for you link...all it does is parrot what others say. It even includes the Trayvon case...which did not apply the Stand Your Ground law, it was self defense law that the defense used. And the other case it references, which actually did have stand your ground as a defense used by the defendant...lost and is currently in prison. Its not even a study. It just parroted what others said. Hell...it even referenced VICE for crying out loud.
     
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    I have a tip tread a post befor commenting on it. I guess it is true liberals are very easily triggered and fly into a frenzy very easily. And how is commenting that he will be standing trial, in a post about a man who is standing trial unrelated. But once again great job not commenting logical and have zero ability to debate.
     
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    the guy was found guilty, right?
     
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    Can you cite a case where a white person shot at a vehicle in front of them and succeeded with a 'stand your ground' claim?
     
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    go and read the law again. That’s incorrect.
     
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    400 years of segregationist history
     
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    That is not required. Only thing "stand your ground law" requires is that the shooter believes that they were trying to run him off the road.

    Now do you understand how idiotic these laws are?

    They are idiotic for everybody. But more so for black people Because jurors tend to believe more often that a black person would intimidate a white person, but not the other way around. This is what was predicted would happen, and now statistics (study in the story and study I submitted above) confirm it.
     
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