The jig is up for Trump: Special Master has asked declassification details

Please explain why trump is exempt from this law.

 

He can only keep personal documents. Not official documents. The law has already determined this.

 

I asked that question a few posts up.
Do Trump's lawyers now go crying to Cannon and she gets rid of Dearie?
Does Judge Dearie have to answer to Cannon ?

 

And before they become his "personal documents" they need the written approval from the NARA,

 

No, the courts did not say that and no, a president does not get to decide what he keeps..
The NARA needs to sign off with a written confirmation what a president can keep.

 

NO!
She, the prosecutor said that SOME documents are so sensitive they still don't have the security clearance to read them.

"But Edelstein told the judge that some papers seized from Trump’s Florida home were classified beyond the “Top Secret” level. “Some of the documents are so sensitive that members of the team investigating possible offenses here have not yet been able to see them,” she said."

 

Plus there's the fact that Dearie has some very, very high security clearance.

 

This has been decided in court of law already... Trump gets to decide what to keep..
The president and vice president are the ultimate declassifying authority of the U.S. government and through executive orders most recently issued in 2003 by George W. Bush and Barack Obama in 2009 that specifically exempt the president and vice president from having to follow the stringent declassification procedures every other federal agency and official must follow.

Judge Amy Jackson ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-co.../JW-v-NARA-Clinton-Tapes-transcript-01834.pdf






Presidential records found right in Clinton’s drawer
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/22/tapes-stored-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-affec/

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/09/trump-judge-dearie-mar-a-lago-special-master-fail.html

Clinton's Tapes were Personal under the Presidential Records Act which has **** to do with Trump's stolen top-top secret highly sensitive classified documents and everything else he stole.
He can not just take what he wants.
End of story ,


"Personal records are defined as: “documentary materials or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character, which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President” and which include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business,” “private political associations” and “materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency” [44 U.S.C. § 2201(3)]. Personal records remain the personal property of the President or the record creator. Records created by the President-elect and the transition team are also considered personal records. To the extent that these records are received and used after the inauguration by the incoming Presidential Administration, they may become Presidential or Federal records. Former Presidents have traditionally donated these personal transition records to the National Archives and Records Administration for deposit in their Presidential Library."

https://www.archives.gov/files/guid...-archives-and-records-administration-2020.pdf

 

Prove that Trump stole top-top secret highly sensitive classified documents...I dare you...

This has been decided in court of law already... Trump gets to decide what to keep..

Judge Amy Jackson ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-co.../JW-v-NARA-Clinton-Tapes-transcript-01834.pdf

 

Old case over audio tapes in Bill Clinton's sock drawer could impact Mar-a-Lago search dispute
Judge ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.
video here
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1560234754292813827

 

The judge never conclusively ruled on the case based on those parameters, only concluding no remedy would be available because NARA was not in possession of the tapes so ruled against the plaintiffs. The decision was never appealed and is not rooted in case law.

 

the poster claimed "Trump stole top-top secret highly sensitive classified documents"... Let's see any proof of that..

Wrong ... the judge ruled Clinton could keep any records he wants...
The Judge ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.
video here
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1560234754292813827

 

You think that’s something? Just wait until he wins the next election.

 

When you take government property it is stealing something that does not belong to you.
All should have been turned over before he left office on Jan.20, 2021.
Quite simple.

"far reaching and mostly unchallengeable" does not equate to Trump or any president can just decide what to keep and that's that.
The whatevers they want to claim as personal must fit within the personal category listed under the "Presidential Records Act".
If a president could do as you say then it would be stated therein that it's the president who decides what personal and presidential records he/she gets to keep and that is clearly not stated.

 

Your belief not mine.

 

There's a process that takes place for personal docs/papers/gifts/stuff with the NARA and they need to sign off on the whatever,

 

The case has no bearing here. We are talking about classified documents. Judge Amy Jackson does not say the president can declare classified documents as personal.

 

Bill Barr was a Reagan appointee.

 

What we'll see first, is the Trump haters start living the special master, all of a sudden...lol.

The anti-Trumpers have been whining about the special master since it first came up and how the judge was incompetent for granting the request.

At the end of the day though, Trump doesn't have to prove his innocence. The DOJ has to prove his guilt.

 

Interesting long read:

JURISPRUDENCE

"Trump’s Pick for the Mar-a-Lago Special Master Was a Spectacular Own Goal"

BY ROBERT KATZBERG
SEPT 20, 20224:28 PM

Conclusion:

"Which brings us back to the mystery of how Trump’s legal team undermined its own litigation strategy with the Dearie recommendation. A recent Axios article offers a possible explanation that if true, only underscores the problematic nature of their selection analysis. According to Axios sources, the Trump lawyers picked Judge Dearie because years ago, in his FISA Court role, he approved search warrants in the Carter Page investigation unaware that the FBI statements he relied upon were both materially false and incomplete. As a result, per this analysis, they believed Judge Dearie became “a deep skeptic of the FBI” and would perform his special master role with that jaundiced perspective. So, if this information is accurate, these lawyers concluded that a judge known for his integrity, objectivity, and career-long determination to follow the law, who served on the FISA Court for seven years and, thus, regularly came face to face with the enormous task our intelligence services have in keeping the country safe, would be influenced by a years-old grudge he very likely never had, to conduct himself in a manner completely antithetical to experience and, most importantly, to his very core.

Whether or not this explanation is true, the decision to nominate Judge Dearie was an easily predictable gift to prosecutors. Expecting Raymond Dearie to blindly uphold their extreme legal position is also evidence that the Trump legal teams’ addiction to self-inflicted wounds continues, as does the hemorrhaging of their client’s ability to avoid criminal prosecution."


cont:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/09/trump-judge-dearie-mar-a-lago-special-master-fail.html

 

Actually no. It's a civil case right now, and Trump is suing the DOJ. The burden of proof is on the plaintiff (Trump).

Trump is not helping his case when judge asks for proof of declassification and Trump lawyers respond with "it's a secret."

 

Raise your hand if you think Trump's name will be mentioned? lol

 

That might be interesting. Maybe not. In any event, Trump isn't going to jail, it would be too hard to give him security. I imagine it will just be a big fine and
possibly house arrest at the most.

 

Or maybe Trump's legal team has just decided to throw Trump under the bus before Trump throws THEM under the bus ... wouldn't be the first time
Trump has screwed over his legal team.