Family says fatal shooting case shows ‘stand your ground’ defense doesn’t work for Black men

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's called a "meme".
     
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    This is a conspiracy theory. It's not really about dealing with Injustice they don't care about it they actually kind of like that because it can be used as a wedge.

    Golem is a Communist. I need to make that very clear that he supports communism and he wants our country to be communist. The best way for that to happen is turn the citizens against one another
     
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  3. Polydectes

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    No it's called a conspiracy theory. Further it wasn't 400 years of segregation in the country hasn't been around that long.
     
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    No we're not. We are discussing the claim in the title. The case mentioned is just an example.
     
  6. Polydectes

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    Delete
     
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  7. Polydectes

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    Is it? Show precedent.
     
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    And the case is not an example of a race based decision, since your exemplar mag dumped into a bystander instead of the trash that was assaulting him.

    If your study uses it as an example, your study is foolish and invalid.
     
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    First statement true. Second statement... not binary. It depends on many things. Including the color of the skin of the accused.
     
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    Who cares? I'm talking about what the law SAYS.
     
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    I think he probably would have had a better case for that if the cars had been damaged by each other I didn't read anything about that in article so he wasn't really trying to run anybody off the road if he did there would be smashed up bits of car and paint transfer.

    I didn't realize he mag dumped. The amount of force should be congruent to what is necessary to stop the threat. Shooting a passenger in a vehicle does nothing to stop the thread in fact it only increases it.

    If someone was firing into my vehicle and shot and injured one of my passengers I would put them into a tree.
     
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    Cite Georgia code where it says that please?
     
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    That's a lie. Just more stupid race baiting.
     
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    The study was way before this. It was commissioned by the Trump administration. I can't categorically state that anything that happened during the Trump administration is not foolish. But others appear to show similar conclusions.
     
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    The law says blacks can't stand their ground?
     
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    IF the driver was trying to run him off the road, the driver was a fair target.
    Thing is, the passengers would not be. Even if they were yelling the N word, yelling can't hurt you. They weren't driving the car, so they weren't acceptable as a backstop.
     
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    1) You admit to not knowing what the Georgia statute even says
    2) The law does not say that blacks can't use stand your ground.
     
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    If your study does not discriminate between persons who had a bad case and persons who had a good case, its foolish and faulty.
     
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    Georgia code 16-3-23A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to prevent or terminate such other's unlawful entry into or attack upon a habitation.

    And specifically says the habitation vehicle moving on the road is not a habitation so stand your ground law doesn't apply to this situation at all and it's the same reason why the guys who chase down and shot Ahmad arbury or sentenced to life in prison this wasn't a stay in your ground case.

    I would say this guy got off lucky with just a manslaughter charge.
     
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    Well it wouldn't be a stand your ground case because it didn't take place in a habitation which is a house, apartment, so forth.

    Because the vehicles are moving it would be difficult to aim precisely enough to just hit one person. That's why what you do in a situation like this is you stop if you have a gun stop have it in your hand and get out of the car and have it pointed at the car if anyone comes out.

    I would say you trying to do this while the cards are moving is probably a case against trying to protect his life because he was trying to protect his life he would have stopped the car.
     
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    HOLY ****, you're now blaming the person being raped for not running away? When you read an entire thread and every person in it is arguing with you and winning, this is your plan to turn it all around?

    Give it up, man. You got wriggity wrecked in yet another thread.
     
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    I don't think he's interested in what George's statue says I think he's interested in provoking a race-based argument so it's important not to do that.

    It's equivalent of the Jerry Springer Show and that's what he wants.
     
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    Stand your ground is not limited to a habitation. Stand your ground specifically refers to conduct in public where you do not have to retreat before using deadly force.
    You're thinking castle.
     
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    So now that I know a little bit more about Georgia law explain how this would be a stand your ground case.

    If you really care about what the law says in the first you would have to know what the law says about stand your ground so please.
     
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    :shh: Stop, why you bursting bubbles :whisper:
     
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