Has Trump's Public Image Taken A Beating From Mar-A-Lago Probe? New Poll Says...

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  1. Noone

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    That was the whole point. People are eager to consume what they are being fed, so an accusation with vague claims is equal to guilty beyond a reasonable doubt for the average partisan lemming. Can you post the methodology behind these results?
     
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    You say "Why yes! Yes it has!!!"

    But when I click on your link, it says....
    Has Trump's Public Image Taken A Beating From Mar-A-Lago Probe? New Poll Says...
    • The U.S. public’s view of Donald Trump remains unchanged despite mounting legal troubles for the former president, according to a recent poll conducted by the New York Times and Siena College.


    Should we believe the link, or you?
     
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    Read the article.
     
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    Believe what you want. Why ever did you delete their graphs? 8)

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    I will believe the link and assume that you are confused as opposed to being dishonest.

    I deleted the graph because I always only quote that which is relevant to my point. The only part relevant to my point was the question posed in the headline along with the sentence that answered that question. I quoted their answer to the question, and I quoted YOUR answer to the question. They had completely opposite answers.

    "Why ever" is your answer the opposite of their answer?
     
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    So you did not look at the methodology?
     
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    It's not you took one line out of the article ... which went on to say ...

    "Voters retained identical views from the poll conducted earlier this summer with 44% holding a favorable view of Trump and 53% having an unfavorable opinion. 23% held a very favorable opinion of the former U.S. leader."

    And

    "Asked if the 2024 election were to be held today, who would they vote for if Trump were to run against President Joe Biden, 42% would vote for Trump and 45% for Biden."

    And

    "Fifty-one percent believe that Trump has committed serious federal crimes, while 38% say he hasn’t."

    The poll, conducted among 1,399 registered voters between Sept.6 to 14, found that 30 percent of those polled held conflicting views about Trump and his actions.


    8)
     
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    I took the one line out of the article that answered the question in the headline. The link had the complete opposite answer than you. FWIW, the additional detail that you just provided in no manner, shape, or form contradicts the answer given in your link to the central question. In fact, it supports it ("Voters retained identical views").

    Should we believe you when you say "Why yes! Yes it has!" or the link when it says "The U.S. public’s view of Donald Trump remains unchanged" and "Voters retained identical views"?
     
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    I don't see it mentioned; do you?

    I accept that the Times and Siena College can conduct a poll.
     
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    You obfuscated the point of the article.
     
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    So you consumed the conclusion as fact without question? Didn't you just criticize someone for doing the same thing?
     
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    I responded to the question in the headline and correctly pointed out that your answer to that headline does not match the answer provided by your link. That is not an example of me obfuscating anything. It is me pointing out your obvious error.

    Look, I am sure that it was an honest mistake on your part. I doubt that you meant to tell a lie. You probably saw the head-to-head poll, got excited, and then assumed the answer was "Why yes! Yes it has!", but clearly you overlooked that it very clearly states that "the public's views remains unchanged".After having your obvious and undeniable error pointed out, the honorable thing would have been for you to simply say "my bad", and everyone could move on with their life. Instead, you opted to bogusly accuse me of cherry-picking, obfuscating etc. rather than simply acknowledging your mistake.

    Invariably, if past history is a guide, you will once again accuse me of being a bully, but in reality, all I have done is point out your error and then defend against your subsequent false accusations against me. Just because I am good at defending myself does NOT equate to me being a bully.

    This is about as straightforward as it gets. The public's view, according to YOUR link, has remained unchanged. Your claim to the contrary is not backed up in any way from the link that YOU provided.
     
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    Except for the graphs, the data for which was taken during the same time frame.
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    But hey, I'll keep correcting you and posting the graphs as long as you care to troll. 8)
     
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    This is your standard retort, very few polls publish their method, but you seem to think it means something. The truth is you wouldn't know the difference.
     
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    Hahahaha! Exactly, but that wouldn't fit the false equivalence rabbit hole pivot.
     
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    It is important to note that you are not arguing against me, rather you are arguing against your own link.

    The first sentence in your very own link says..

    "The U.S. public’s view of Donald Trump remains unchanged despite mounting legal troubles for the former president, according to a recent poll conducted by the New York Times and Siena College."

    What is it that you believe is contained in those graphs that makes their statement incorrect?
     
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    It's more important to note that that is more obfuscation. :bye:
     
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    So me pointing out that you are arguing against/contradicting your own link, in your mind, is an example of ME obfuscating?

    What is it that you think I am obfuscating?
     
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    Well no ****! The second point has been exacerbated by tRaitor tRump himself. He totally screwed the COVID pooch, got impeached twice and is now embroiled in so many legal actions it can't even be called a witch hunt but a WHICH HUNT. LoL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In essence he's phcked and he phcked himself. 8)
     
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    There is nothing to retort. I at least want to have facts prior to taking a position. You are far from correct about polls publishing their methodology. They all do. Some put it out front, while others bury it so deep, one has to hunt for it. You did not bother to look, but still criticized another forum member for doing the same thing.

    Unless you can product the methodology, this is just another blindly accepted conclusion.
     
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    Will you accept my challenge to review the methodology behind this "conclusion"?
     
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    Horseshit! This is your tactic of the day whenever there's a poll you disagree with. How can I supply you with methodology that hasn't been published; not that it would mean a thing to you if I could. Have you EVER questioned the "methodology" of a right wing poll? NO, you have not.
     
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    Requesting to be chased down a deflection false equivalence/distraction rabbit hole of your choosing already occupied by you? LMAO! Deal with the OP first..
     
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