No mention of the MAGA teen murdered for disagreeing with 41 yo?

And I didn't say a hate crime based on race occurred I said HAD IT been a black victim.......

Try a little slower next time.

 

Harrumph, you can't even acknowledge you denigrate Trump.

BTW, the quote of Trump saying there are fine people on both sides is part of Trump's explanation or elaboration of the rioting in Charlottesville when there was talk of taking down statues in Charlottesville.

 

There weren't any good people marching to keep the statue up in Charlottesville.

 

of course he isn’t charged with a hate crime
That would validate the horror of joes hate speech.
Also they are both white. I guess hate crimes only apply when you hate another race but don’t count if you hate a political affiliation?
All you’ve done here is further prove my point

 

Are we sure the victim is white?

 

How could you possibly know this?

 

Are you saying that i can't know if there were any good people there because i wasn't there and didn't know all of the people there?

 

I have not asserted anything. I simply asked how you could possibly know that there were not any good people marching to keep the statue up in Charlottesville as you stated.

I have no way of knowing whether or not you were in attendance, and Im not sure it would matter if you were. I would appreciate if you would not so blatantly try to put words into my mouth.

 

I doubt he was a 'MAGA teen', but just a regular teen taking part in the street dance event. IMO this idiot driver made up the "extremist maga teen" saga to make it sound like he was under attack and had no choice, but he is not getting off the hook. It might even hurt his case.

 

I'm basing it on the YouTube videos by the main groups of people going there. No good person i know would associate with them in any way.

But i really don't have any way of knowing that everyone there was bad anymore than Trump could know that there were good people there on that side.

All we know is that they were chanting "Jews will not replace us", and it wasn't just a small group that was chanting that, it was the main group of people there.

 

So you watched some youtube videos and from that you have determined that none of the people protesting taking down statues were good people? That is nonsensical. Of course some of them were good people, which in this context means not white supremacists, because they are universally labeled as at least some of the bad people in attendance. You cannot simply state that "they" were chanting Jews will not replace us" and then act as if this applies to every single person that was there to protest taking down a statue.

To take this in reverse as you are attempting does not apply. Saying that there are good people amongst thousands is not the same thing as saying that there were no good people amongst thousands. Only a small fraction were white supremacists which we can all universally label as bad people, but amongst the rest OF COURSE some of them were good people. Probably the overwhelming majority of them.

 

yes, that is what I said.

I am talking specifically about on that day in Charlottesville.

 

....and what I said is...

That is nonsensical. Of course some of them were good people, which in this context means not white supremacists, because they are universally labeled as at least some of the bad people in attendance. You cannot simply state that "they" were chanting Jews will not replace us" and then act as if this applies to every single person that was there to protest taking down a statue.

To take this in reverse as you are attempting does not apply. Saying that there are good people amongst thousands is not the same thing as saying that there were no good people amongst thousands. Only a small fraction were white supremacists which we can all universally label as bad people, but amongst the rest OF COURSE some of them were good people. Probably the overwhelming majority of them.


***Was there some confusion as to this being in reference to any other day in Charlottesville? I would have assumed that was a given.

 

No good person i know, would be anywhere near a march full of people chanting "Jews will not replace us"

 

Charlottesville was this incident in reverse, where a maga-teen ran over a liberal pedestrian.

 

Okay, enough revisionism and it's time to give a dose of reality. The white supremacists had a march I believe on university grounds at night with their tiki torches(hence at first, the reference to said torches.) We don't know if any of the late night marchers took part in the protests over the statue but certainly their general presence in the area would enable the riots.

Other than Heyer's murder, that's all it was. A general riot, and then-President Trump trying to defuse the situation. Unfortunately, Trump was quick to realize that he doesn't get the leeway of other politicians. To this day, democrats still want to accuse the guy of racism without any, actual ties to racism.

My personal 'favorite' was the pittsburgh supremacist shooter who complained that Trump wasn't doing anything. You'd think that have been a clue, but no.

 

The murderer was a part of group called 'Vanguard national'. A group I hadn't even heard of, even amongst supremacist groups and certainly not maga or mainstream. He's also in prison for life I take it.

 

So if someone were there to try to save a statue, you believe they are supposed to abandon their effort because some person or group of people in attendance said an anti-Semitic chant? Furthermore, if they do not immediately leave, they are therefore a bad person.

That is silly. Nonsensical even. Even if we are going to pretend like every person heard the utterings of every other of the thousands of attendees, immediately leaving would be giving the chanters power that they most certainly do not deserve. That would perhaps be the absolute worst thing that good people could do.

I hope that you do not honestly cower in fear like this in real life. Hopefully, this is nothing more than a silly ruse put forth in an attempt for you to defend the indefensible. Surely that MUST be the case.

 

There isn't any evidence that this kid was MAGA.

Usually, we have social media posts or photos that make it clear of the people's political persuasions in these cases.

There is still plenty we don't know about this situation. We are basing everything on one statement from the murderer.

 

The people at the march on that day in Charlottesville were not good people.

I'm not talking about everyone who thinks a monument should stay up.

I am talking about the people in Charlottesville on that day. Yes, they were all antisemitic racists.

 

nowhere in that post did I mention Trump's name, you just saw what you wanted to see

 

There were people in Charlottesville that day that were not white supremacists that were fighting to save the statue. There were literally thousands of people in attendance. The left wing agitators and the white supremacists that caused all of the problems were not the only people in attendance. Those two groups showed up looking for violence, but they were not the totality of people in attendance. You are confused.

 

Thousands?

How many people do you think were there?

Are you sure i'm the one confused?

 

true, the killer, who was drunk at the time thought he was, but we do not know that for sure

 

But, that is exactly the point the conservatives on this forum are doing, making it a category of a "hate crime."