California Looks to Ban Diesel Trucks Weeks After Facing Electric Blackouts

It's worse than that. It comes from the emotions of the well-insulated. Those who won't be immediately personally affected.

 

Oh they understand.

Not understanding would make them dumber than dirt. But they tell us they're much smarter than deplorables so that can't be it ....

 

Spoken with the arrogance of a true Californian which I first learned when I first flew out to Diamond Bar to work on LNG fuel systems for CARB.

By the way, I've been an automotive powertrain engineer in both light duty and heavy duty and construction equipment for the last 35 years. "Know little about trucks" my big old hairy butt.

So let's put OTR semis aside for a moment. How about logging trucks? Know anything about that? How about crane trucks? Know anything about that? Know what a farm combine is? Do you have a single clue what happens to any of them if they run out of fuel far from a paved road?

Hint: bring out another truck with a big fuel tank on the back.

And despite your obvious love of self, CA isn't any economic powerhouse without other states as both customers and suppliers. Sorry. It just isn't. The pesky definition of economy involves both buying and selling to others. Maybe it's about time you figured that out.

And as I've said elsewhere, fossil fuel commercial vehicles are very long lived and cost maybe a quarter of a million dollars and depend on maybe a half century of use in whatever reconfiguration is needed which is made pretty easy and straight forward with all those crummy but proven interchangeable parts.

You might get 10 years out of a inevitably more expensive EV truck that can't be reconfigured for crap. Good luck making that financial case.

 

Yes, we get it... you drank the koolaid

 

I'm sure the US has had nothing to do with the UK success, Noooooothhiiinng at all LMFAO

 

No, it's shorthand and illustrative of basic statistics. Like all statistics , it's really just an estimator of frequency and not necessarily accurate. In this context it simply means that it's a weather event that is pretty rare usually occuring once every 100 years on average.

And since I have no interest in what actually happened in 2011 (and I'm darn sure you don't have a clue), I could still be technically right.

See, I knew you couldn't understand.

 

Well, you're not showing it by ranting about how much "bigger" the US is vs Europe and what to do at the border of CA.
That's all on you.

Well 9 out of 10 instances,... they still would be whining on a regular cell phone that they ran out of fuel, which means that their signal goes to an UMTS nearby where there is electricity to potentially charge your battery. While the fun thing is also that you can put up some solar panels to charge batteries in remote places. Batteries which can charge electric vehicles.

It is an economic powerhouse, because it's GDP is far larger than any other state. Texas and Florida's economies combined are smaller.
While the US got customers and suppliers elsewhere.... it doesn't change a thing about the power of the US economy.
Same thing about your argument and the customers and suppliers of CA elsewhere. Stop whining.

50 years??? You feeling alright? lol

https://www.ntea.com/NTEA/Member_be...dqwvYYSwODX5Hop5g6odQWuQdIt9cJ37I30kwxgv209PU
In 2008, average age of commercial trucks in the U.S. was 12.8 years, and rose to 14.2 years in 2018


And here you are claiming to be this fancy engineer. lol
The US aint a Mad Max world where things are just welded together.
Maybe in Cuba. But not in the US.

 

More nonsense usually? lol

Hint TEXAS

“People should probably be worried”: Texas hasn’t done enough to prevent another winter blackout, experts say

Natural gas powers the majority of electricity in Texas, especially during winter. Some power companies say the state’s gas system is not ready for another deep freeze.



...“Why couldn’t we get it?” Morgan said recently. “Because the gas system was not weatherized. And so we had natural gas producers that weren’t producing.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/11/29/texas-power-grid-winter-storm/

They spent $1 billion to winterize some stuff, experts pegged the need at $5-$20 billion. Once more Texas cares more about Corps making money than 700+ dead


Nov 22, 2021 — A report by the Electric Reliability Council of Texas shows Texas would likely have blackouts if winter conditions were extreme.
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/l...port/269-fe407382-cdd3-4377-9ef9-fb52812aea70

 

UK? You mean China where Reagan, Bush and Trump tax cuts allowed them to offshore jobs? With a lil help with Neoliberal Clinton

How offshoring rolled along under Trump, who vowed to stop it
https://www.reuters.com/business/ho...ong-under-trump-who-vowed-stop-it-2021-01-19/


The Offshoring of U.S. Jobs Increased on Trump’s Watch
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/news...st-the-hard-data-on-trump-s-offshoring-record

During Trump Presidency, 200,000 Jobs Offshored and Corporations Involved Awarded $425 Billion in Federal Contracts

https://www.commondreams.org/newswi...s-offshored-and-corporations-involved-awarded

 

As I said, I've been an automotive powertrain engineer for 35 years. I know all about why CARB sets thier own emissions regulations. It's because CARB existed before EPA so they have an on-going waiver to demand stricter standards. That's also why the decision of 17 states to opt to follow CA standards a decade ago mens that those states might also have to do the same thing even if it's even more absurd technically. This is not news. It's also 50 years old and not news at all.

The only more ridiculous application of it was when Obama allowed California to decide Massachutsetts v. EPA shortly after Barry took office in 2009.

But that whole mess was overturned with the recent WV v. EPA decision which decided that CO2 and other greenhouse gases were never formally included in the Clean Air Act by Congress thereby removing EPA's authority to regulate greenhouse gases.

Thus ends California's vaunted "influence".

I'd tell you to look into it but I know that's absurd.

 

That's a setup for fail.

 

Your mama obviously never warned you about trying to walk across a lake that's on average 4 feet deep.

 

lol
I accept your lame personal attack and not responding to what I wrote as conceding.
"yo mama" must be so proud.

 

I have a big old 4500 turbo diesel that gets around 13L/100km. Very efficient.

It's a bit different in Australia, where the nearest capital city can be 3500kms away. Heck, the nearest gas station can be hundreds of kilometres away. Even diesel vehicles aren't enough, you need to fit an aftermarket long range tank.

I would like an electric car as a zip around fun sports car. They make sense for that application. Sunday drives, long winding roads. Then again, I don't have over a hundred grand lying around and if I did it would go into property.

 

Another real serious problem for the idea of electric heavy-duty trucks- where are they?

https://electrek.co/2022/09/14/volvo-trucks-ramps-production-44-ton-heavy-duty-electric-trucks/

Note the date. 2035 is now 12 years away. It's taken electric cars about 30 years to get to a 4-5% market share.

Are electric trucks just going to fall out of the sky by 2035?

 

Weird your premise WAS

"Second, California's a part of the US, which is far bigger than Europe. California's economy is dependent on all the other states. Presents a real problem when the rest of the states aren't going all electric, particularly if you're stupid enough to prevent other states vehicle from operating in your state"


So 17 states follow Cali on CARB, but they aren't going to follow on EV's? You're an Enjineerrrr? right? So no logic courses for you in college?

.WV - EPA_

"In a 6–3 ruling issued on June 30, 2022, the Court ruled that the regulation of existing power plants in Section 7411(d) fell under the major questions doctrine, and within that, Congress did not grant the EPA authority to regulate emissions from existing plants based on generation shifting mechanisms, which would have invalidated the Clean Power Plan. The EPA may still continue to regulate emissions at existing plants through emissions reduction technologies."

AND

Democrats Designed the Climate Law to Be a Game Changer. Here’s How.

Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 in August following the West Virginia decision. Among other actions, the bill was written towards several of the points raised in the majority decision and possibly overturn it. The law's language addresses the major questions doctrine by explicitly granting EPA new authorities to regulate greenhouse gases.


In a first, the measure legally defines greenhouse gases as pollution. That’ll make new regulations much tougher to challenge in court.

When the Supreme Court restricted the ability of the Environmental Protection Agency to fight climate change this year, the reason it gave was that Congress had never granted the agency the broad authority to shift America away from burning fossil fuels.

Now it has.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/climate/epa-supreme-court-pollution.html

NO PAYWALL LINK
https://archive.ph/GHSo3

 

Although there are very few models available, electric semi trucks are indeed being used today. In January 2020, Anheuser-Busch announced that it had received its 100th 8TT. The 8TT is produced by China's BYD Motors and was one of the first electric semis to see real-world application. Sep 6, 2022

All Electric Semi Truck Models in One Graphic - Visual Capitalist

Sep 6, 2022 — In this infographic, we've listed all of the upcoming electric semi trucks, complete with range and charge time estimates.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/every-electric-semi-truck-model-in-one-graphic/

 

Got it, you'll keep burying your head to facts and data. I guess being an enjinneerr that's expected from you, besides the attempts at personal insults you appear to be good at.

 

Just so you don't miss it Mr Enjeneerr

''Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 in August following the West Virginia decision. Among other actions, the bill was written towards several of the points raised in the majority decision and possibly overturn it. The law's language addresses the major questions doctrine by explicitly granting EPA new authorities to regulate greenhouse gases."

 

I agree. It has nothing to do with climate. It is about power and control.

 

Since CA just outlawed a ton of truck drivers maybe they don't need the trucks.........

 

This is about California. It's not about long range transport through the middle of nowhere halfway across the globe.

But for the luls.
There is a lot of sun there. And we got something called solar panels invented a while a go.
I dunno if you heard about that. But it's a thing.


And you can also run a truck on hydrogen.

 

They outlawed diesel. To think a trunk can only run on diesel, that's not really like showing you can think even slightly out of the box. Such a petty.

 

I haven't gotten less than twice that mileage for 40 years.

 

Well least wise you were pretty honest Although Clinton started the ball rolling and this was the beginning of the end of production and manufacturing here in the U.S.. You didn't have to downplay it, we all know