California first state to ban natural gas heaters and furnaces

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  1. straight ahead

    straight ahead Well-Known Member

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    What! You refused to pay $10,000 to save the planet?!?! You greedy right wing Trumper you! I bet you stormed the Capitol on January 6th!

    Funny how the money counts when it's yours, isn't it? :cynic:
     
  2. Thirty6BelowZero

    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Natural gas lines don't often leak unless you're blindly digging and puncture them. If they leaked, any nearby vehicle cranking its engine would ignite the fumes, as would any type of spark. Come on.
     
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    That's your standard lefty. They want others to do it. They want government to force others to do it. But they won't themselves if it's even the slightest bit inconvenient.

    You'd think they'd be willing to do their part given they claim it's going to end life on earth as we know it.

    Or.....maybe the left is full of **** when it comes to the climate?
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US sits on the some of the largest natural gas reserves on the planet ranking number 4. And that's based on known confirmed quantities.

    Absolutley we don't have enough electricity to elimate internal combustion engines and all of our heating for buildings.

    Another prime example of mandates that follow emotions rather than logic.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I work in the industry, and this perspective is idealistic at best.

    Converting electricity to heat takes a ton of power.
    With this as well as mandating elimation of internal combustion, California better start building a lot of nuke plants and fast.

    Solar requires battery storage which requires lithium and other elements that simply don't exist in the quantities required.
     
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    This will absolutley have massive economic repercussions, but the left is so ignorant they will just ble somebody else and move to Texas or Colorado taking their terrible policies with them unable to see its THEM that's the problem.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The left believes the rental owner will eat the cost.
     
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    Cheap? I just got 3 estimates. Cheapest to me was $30K and all the way up to $60K with the sales pitch that "i'll recoup the cost through lower utility cost". So, I'll recoup my cost in 30 years... Great!! Sadly, by the time I might start seeing a even a slight benefit, the solar cells would have degradated so badly, that I it will be time for replacements. I honestly see no benefit to solar right now.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would be willing to bet:

    - those graphs don't consider the storage component, only the power of cost

    - likely don't consider the service life of a panel

    - doesn't consider the installation cost

    - considers the cost AFTER federal rebates

    Etc.
     
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    CA can’t save the planet alone.
     
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    I think you got it wrong.
    The utterly best way to deal with electricity and solar panels is having about as many solar panels that produce about the same electricity that you're using. So ideally you end up cancelling the volume you create with what you use. It is like that, because an electricity company is not obligated (usually) to buy your excess electricity for a fair price. So (totally free pro tip) you should not put up solar panels that pushes you over the total amount of electricity that you use, since there is no guarantee that you get a return on that investment.

    And if you lived in a house like that, you end up paying the flat fee of being hooked up on the grid for general maintenance.
    I'm not shocked it costs 30 bucks. Just saying.
    That kind of maintenance is expensive and I honestly can't explain it.
     
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    perhaps those folks should state that their heater identifies as a student loan. Then all taxpayers would pay for it
     
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    Let me make this outrageous personal attack of casually claiming that my heater would probably end up with a college degree that's on paper worth more then what you got.
     
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    i live in California and I have a gas water heater, gas range and oven, and gas for the heat portion of my forced air heating/AC system. I will get all new ones in 28 and 29 and refurbish the home heating then to. My house will have natural gas as long as I’m alive. It’s ridiculous that they are getting rid of clean burning natural gas for homes faster than they are gas engines for cars. I’m totally replacing parts in my 2000 Nissan Maxima so it will still be running strong in 2035.
     
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    LOL nothing is free, don't kid yourself. And replacing one's food source is NOT GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE, but maybe it enriches the farmer short term
     
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    If your post was coherent, I'd be able to respond. Perhaps make another attempt?
     
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    Excuses, excuses...

    Pony up the ten grand, cheapo boy!
     
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    Want me to talk about the REAL end game on what's gonna happen to California: They might as well be an EU State, because they will become dependent eventually on the rest of the US. And that dependency will soon cause energy droughts and possibly the water droughts, to spread to parts of the union that otherwise never had these problems.

    And if that happens, that dependency on the rest of us to supply them will turn a one state tragedy, into a nationwide tragedy. I do not want to repeat the mistakes of the European Union. The reality is, we can 'save the planet' and be EU 2.0 or we can be America. I'd rather be America.
     
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    Instead of burning NG and heating the house with a 99.9% efficiency rate, they want to burn NG to heat water to turn a generator turbine that sends electricity through several substations and transformers to heat your house at a 75% efficiency rate.
    (actual numbers may vary as I pulled these straight our of uranus)

    Awesome.
     
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    Yeap that liberal math is quite something isn't it. Boy oh boy do they have some gigawatts to find in a very short time. Good news I guess for liberals they won't see the earth's destruction those battery minerals cost and how slave labor is used to get their precious cars running. I bet at some point some wacko leftist will sound the alarm and the radical left will try to push no ac, no heat, no vehicles. Progress is really something. Bottom line, batteries aren't saving the f'ing earth, it's demolishing it from the top down. Solar has a lot of the same production issues and to date I can't get the cheap ones to work more than a few years.
     
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    Here's a thought...

    - Since CO2 is not a pollutant, and does not drive climate and warming...

    - and since the looney left is using CO2 as a boogeyman to scare the witless out of their wits, and into surrendering control of their lives to the authoritarian state...

    - why don't you get yourself informed and join the fight to stop the authoritarians, instead of meekly accepting the boot stomping on your face...

    ???

    Dip your toe in the river of knowledge and self determinism.

    Just a thought ;)
     
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    CA can't even save CA. They always make things worse.
     
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    I live in a remote area and almost everyone has propane tanks for propane wall heaters and wood burning stoves for heat. This is because in the case of a severe ice storm, we could be without power for weeks and we'd prefer not to freeze to death.
     
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    Since it's just a preference, it's optional, which means the dogooders in government will make the right choice for you.

    It's just silly to think you should be able to think and act for yourself ;)
     
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    And what are you personal qualifications to make these statements?
    Trust me bro?
     

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