‘He faces jail time one way or another.’

Except Trump did attempt one, he attempted to challenge the election in what he believed a legal and constitutional process in the Congress DURING the voting. The riot was part of his plan it stopped his plan.

 

Nonsense, he knew it was illegal and unconstitutional, he was advised of that fact by his own attorney. And you know that too, just making up crap to try to defend your criminal hero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/16/us/trump-pence-election-jan-6.html

 

You're right. Good thing that didn't happen.

 

False the Dems had tried to use the same EVA provisions to challenge electors in every EC count this century. It was not a crime to use that provision during the proceedings.

 

Was there something you didn't understand about the FACT that his own attorney told Trump it was ILLEGAL? Are you an attorney or a constitutional scholar and you think you know better than Trump's own attorney? And that if Trump was advised by his own attorney then he KNEW it was illegal and your claim that he "believed" it was a legal and constitutional process is just a bold faced lie. It wasn't about "challenging" electors, it was about the FACT that he wanted Pence to overturn election results by declaring specific (Biden) electors invalid. But you KNOW this also, you just can't help yourself. Do your knees get sore?

 

There is no legal path to advance fake electors like Trump did. This is why his own lawyer admitted that the plan violated the ECA. This is why his own allies went to court to try to get the ECA declared unconstitutional. Trump attempted to overthrow the election. And, no, no Dem or Republican has tried this garbage in the past.

 

This is an objectively false statement. No Dem ever tried what Trump did. Neither has any GOP candidate. There is no excuse for you to continue to be objectively wrong about this. Your unwillingness to do basic homework is not a legitimate excuse.

 

He knows he's full of it. It's all about rabidly defending anything and everything Trump did and does, no matter how phony the claims are. This is an insane cult, it's difficult to understand why millions of people idolize this psychopathic/narcissistic cockroach. I'm not sure if Trump really believes this but I wouldn't be shocked if he does, regardless some actually do believe it.

Donald Trump shares Truth Social photo proclaiming him as second only to Jesus



https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-shares-post-proclaiming-him-second-only-to-jesus-2022-9

 

Then why have Democrats tried it in every election this century except the last one when Trump did? There are legal arguments on BOTH sides as Trump was presented. The ECA probably is unconstitutional but it has just never been challenged in court so it remains a legal process until it is reformed, revoked or overturned in the court. The Reps said that from the getgo as the way to prevent another Jan 6.

Are you REALLY going to deny that Democrats raised objections to electors in 2001, 2005 and 2017 after it has been shown beyond dispute they did and has been shown so repeatedly on this board?

 

Trump was given legal arguments BOTH ways as lawyers do when writing their memos about possible avenues of litigation. You ever hired a lawyer for a legal dispute? I know the Dems tried to to use the same provisions THREE TIMES in this century and they all failed just as Trump's did. Yes they were CHALLENGING ELECTORS, that was the plan. Pence would accept the challenges and the states would vote the alternate electors and their votes would be counted. A dumb plan but what they believed came under the ECA just as when the Dems tried it. You KNOW this because it has been cited over and over. Does you head ache from having to keep denying it?

 

Your invective refutes nothing. Are you denying Dems objected to electors in 2001, 2005 and 2017 yes or no? Your unwillingness to accept recorded history is not a legitimate excuse.



Attempts to object to election results have been made in some fashion by House Democrats in 2001, 2005, and 2017, following the successful campaigns of George W. Bush and Trump, both Republicans. One senator supported the objection in 2005, though the Senate and the House ultimately did not uphold that objection.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...democrats-have-objected-presidential-electio/

 

The Dems haven't tried what Trump tried. Neither have Republicans. Trump was the first.

Only to those who refuse to read the Constitution or the law.

Trump's plan violated both the Constitution AND the ECA. His own lawyer admitted that it violated the ECA. His allies tried to have the ECA declared unconstitutional because of that.

Your most nonsensical sentence so far.

At no point in 2001, 2005, or 2017 did Dems send fake, illegal electors. Trump's side did that. Are you really still unwilling to do 5 minutes of homework? Of course you are.

 

Your fake arguments aren't going to work. I'm not some braindead Trump supporter who is just going to parrot what I'm commanded to without bothering to do a little homework. I'm talking about the fake, illegal electors. Specifically. That's what I'm talking about. There's a reason you run and hide in terror every time the topic is brought up and then hide behind the flimsiest of strawmen, like you did in the above.

 

Trump was advised by his own attorney that getting Pence to overturn the electors votes was illegal no matter how much you want to grovel to this insane criminal. Therefore he KNEW it was illegal and YOU KNOW it's illegal, despite your nonsense. Nothing else you posted has anything to do with those FACTS.

Non sequitur (see above), this isn't about me.

 

What should I say ... nobody is perfect. He didnt always play by the rules, ok.

 

deleted

 

That's understandable. He just needs a few years in a 'structured' setting to think things over.

 

Look how eager he is fighting to get a new job as a president, he has a secure family environment, an aptpupil for whom to give a prognosis of resocialization.
Give him a probation officer and move on, instead of getting lost into details.

Only he who is without guilt should throw the first stone.

 

Agreed but remember that a condition of most probations is that you have no contact with former associates.

Like any Republicans

 

You are stretching the term associates too far. Former employees like ministers etc. should not be included, as long as they were not accomplices in wrongdoing. And the whole GOP is an exaggeration by far. How should he even know if a UPS boy who rings the door bell isnt a Republican?

 

Not "playing by the rules" is not a mistake, it's a deliberate act. You should learn the difference.

 

Trump will not spend one second behind bars.

 

He'll probably face criminal charges at some point, but no, I doubt he'll ever end up behind bars. How is the Secret Service going to protect him there? Nah, he'll face home confinement at worse. And he'll likely be pardoned by the next Republican president.

 

His own lawyer knew the tactic had no legal basis and violated the ECA. His allies tried going to court to get the ECA declared unconstitutional in order to protect the fake elector plot.

 

If you were serious about that, then you'd have no problem with any crime. Hey, it's just not playing by the rules, and nobody is perfect!