NRA Furious Over Gun Shop Sales Tracking by credit card companies

No, it’s not. “Controversial” is not illegal, and compiling data is not illegal or un-Constitutional.

I don’t need to justify or show anything.

 

Data on gun purchases and gun owners needs to be off limits. Its all risk, no reward.

 

That’s your opinion, to which you are entitled.

Data on gun purchases needs to be freely available to track down straw purchases.
Straw purchases are the number one method for criminals to obtain guns.

 

Maybe you can explain how segregating gun purchases from flower or food purchases, or sporting goods, somehow streamlines or improves the bottom line for the credit card companies?

 

Already explained in post 197. There are over 500 merchant codes which categorize the transactions.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-card-companies.603793/page-8#post-1073750828

 

Very nice, but very typical dodge PLF

 

Fair enough. Can you describe how?

 

Folks have a choice. I choose not to use these kinds of financial products. Why? Banks don't need to know. And by association, they aren't in business to tell on the customer to the government. This is how China works. Social credit. Its all BS and a nod to the CCP.

 

How is a direct answer a dodge? Listen to yourself.

I won't waste my time with your nonsense again.

Yes, If you are not ok with them using merchant codes, then don't use credit cards.

They accept credit cards in China, but they are nowhere near as common as they are in the West. Of course a gun license (very hard to obtain) is required for gun purchase, so its not like the government doesn't already know who owns guns in China

 

I hope for once you will keep your word PLF

 

How to track down straw purchases ?

 

How using credit cards tracking gun store purchases will reduce straw purchases.

I made 9 purchases from a gun store this month. How is that data useful?

 

I'm not a leo and I don't have the kind of imaginations they do when it comes to running an investigation, but were those 9 purchases all firearms ? Ammo ? A scope ? A holster ?

At some point, that might be enough to investigate someone making frequent and multiple purchases. If one of those weapons showed up at a crime scene or in the hands of a felon, that might lead to an arrest and a prosecution.

 

No firearm related purchases, all camping supplies. I cannot think of a legitimate use for law enforcement. How many times has your private data been compromised? Has information on gun owners been made public?

This info needs to be off limits.

 

NOBODY LIKES THE CORPORATE-FASCIST APPROACH THE DEMS ARE TAKING, EXCEPT FOR CORPORATIONS AND FASCISTS. Poll in Gun Control-Friendly Washington, D.C. Shows Americans Don’t Want Banks Monitoring Their Gun Purchases.



“Do you think credit card companies should track gun sales?” In a city that has some of the country’s strictest gun control laws, and whose citizens overwhelmingly vote for gun control-supportive politicians, the response was resoundingly clear.

'75 percent of respondents responded “No.” That’s crystal clear. Americans understand the code isn’t about safety at all. It’s about tracking them.'

 

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the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


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DeSantis signs bill prohibiting category codes for gun stores



'Florida’s Senate Bill 214 has already had a major impact on the gun store-specific merchant category codes put in place by the International Standardization Organization last year, but now that Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed the legislation into law it will be an even bigger bulwark against the potential tracking of purchases from FFLs.'

'Shortly after the bill was introduced, major credit card companies from Visa to American Express announced that they were hitting the pause button on their adoption of the MCCs, and they named the Florida legislation as one of several factors influencing their decision.'

'Now that SB 214 is enshrined into law, any credit card company that tries to implement the merchant category codes for firearm retailers is subject to a $10,000 fine for each use of the code, at least once the law becomes effective on July 1st. Hopefully the statute will never have to be put to use, but with anti-gun activists still flipping out over the apparent demise of one of their pet projects.'

Thank you 'DeSantis for “ensuring that Floridians won’t be held captive by the radical ‘woke’ antigun agenda that seeks to weaponize credit cards in gun owners’ wallets against them. Gun owners should worry about what’s in their wallet, not who’s in their wallet.”'

"Thanks to Gov. DeSantis and the Florida legislature for standing up for the rights of Floridians to exercise their fundamental freedoms without fear of Big Brother or big banks scrutinizing their purchases and labeling them “suspicious” for exercising their right to keep, bear, and buy firearms and ammunition.'

 

Would this still be your position if it was birth control instead of bullets?

 

Let's start tracking porno purchases... booze purchases... condoms too!

 

NRA Furious Over Gun Shop Sales Tracking by credit card companies

This makes no sense. Every purchase from a gun dealer involves a background check conducted by the ATF. The government already has the information. Why put credit card companies through this?

 

Is "Plan B" legal nationwide? I'm pretty sure it is hard to find in states with total abortion bans.

 

Firearms bought online are delivered to an FFL.

You must send the name and FFL info when ordering. You pay online. When it is delivered to the FFL you go there, they do the background check, add a small fee (usually $25 here) and you get your gun. Abortion has nothing to do with buying a gun.

 

My point is the exactly the same about guns. There are very different laws about gun ownership in different states. A trusted intermediary is needed to determine the legality of gun transfers.

 

What do guns have to do with abortion? There are federal laws governing gun sales... like FFL licenses and background checks. Since Roe was overturned, and it was decided that abortion was not in the purview of the federal government, there are no federal abortion laws... the VOTERS in each state make their own laws. Federal laws about FFL's, background checks, Class III licenses and such still stand.