Putin - Russia Will Begin Partial Mobilization Immediately

Well that's how Russia typically wins wars. They just toss a bunch of bodies on it until they win. lol. I hope they continue to get their **** pushed in.

 

Funny how everything Kiev does is immedately flipped to: "Russia is doing this, or this is happening to Russia.". It would be funny if it wasn't so destructive and sad. I noticed that if Russians are killed, no matter how small the amount it will always be mentioned on the forum and gloated over, Yet I come across hundreds of Ukrainians being killed everyday in the foreign papers during the Russian advances, yet I would never post them because the needless deaths bothers me.

Besides, there are so many better things to post like the following. It's the rebuilding of Mariupol and others towns destroyed in the war. Here's a translation from a Greek site:

The reconstruction and restoration work on the infrastructure on the territories of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics is impressive not only in its speed, but also in size, and in particular in Mariupol, where a construction miracle is taking place.

The Engineers of the Russian Army and Russian manufacturers erected a clinic in just 101 days.The construction was supervised by Deputy Defense Minister Timur Ivanov. The head of the region, Leonid Pasechnik, awarded him the title of "Hero of the Luhansk People's Republic". "Almost 600 people worked in three shifts, around the clock. For us it was very important, for we knew how important this project was for the people living here.​

Russia's deputy defense minister said: " Everyone sees the results and knows now that Russia is here forever and will provide for all the citizens that are part of the Russian Federation." Until now there was no medical center with this equipment in Mariupol. In the diagnostic department they now have a state-of-the-art CT scanner and equipment that will able to perform the entire range of necessary studies with the highest accuracy.

Another gift to the liberated city from Russian military builders is a new suburb in the west of Mariupol, where the homes were completely demolished in the fighting. Twelve families who were left homeless have received the keys to the new apartments in the three five-story buildings that were built from scratch in 80 days. One of the recipians of keys to an apartment is Nina of the Ponomarev family. Her husband was shot by a Ukrainian sniper when he went out to get water and whose home was destroyed by the UAF in Mariupol during their retreat. Her children are waiting anxiously to move in so they can share a bunk bed.​

Thousands of Russian builders, both military and civilian, are now simultaneously engaged in the restoration of liberated Mariupol. People lived with expectations for a long time. We said that in three years we will put Mariupol in full order, and that it will be restored. 90% of the population of Mariupol has a Russian national conscience and the West keeps pretending not to know this.​

https://twitter.com/MrGeorgeCee/status/15608815

 

Russia is currently invading Ukraine. If Ukraine were invading Russia you would have the right to talk. And I would support Russia in kicking them out. But that's not the case. Russia wanted to land and resource grab. Russia can go **** itself.

 

Hope so.

 

Well, while I thank you for your courteous reply, I can see where this whole thing is going, inexorably. I updated my will five years ago, but now I wonder who be around to inherit anything, or, even read the thing. I don't think my lawyer has any better chance of surviving what's coming any better than I do.... We have a LOT of military installations of various kinds here in my state of Colorado, so, I imagine we'll be among 'the first to go'....

Many other posters here in the Forum think I'm full of crap, and regarding this "Ukraine thing", I MOST DEFINITELY HOPE I AM... but, this ain't 'my first rodeo'. There will be no 'victor', but NATO will 'survive' (if you can call what comes afterward "survival"). And Russia? It will essentially disappear, and believe me, Jeannette, most of us take no joy in any of this at all.







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Putin will not use nukes in Ukraine simply because after that he will not be able to use its territories and I do not see the reason why should he use nukes against the US, unless the US starts to use it first.

 

I hope you are right, but I had hoped that the Minsk Agreements of 2014 and 2015 would settle the disputes between Kiev, the 'Donbass', and Russia long ago. Hope, per se, is a laudable thing, but it insures nothing.

Vladimir Putin has put his entire life and that of Russia, his precious "Rodina", on the 'line' with this war in Ukraine. His chances of winning this war are appear to dim unless he does one of two things:

1. He stakes out a position which introduces the possibility of negotiation and compromise. This must necessarily define what his demands for territorial acquisition are -- and even if it is no more than the two breakaway provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk which comprise the 'Donbass', it will be difficult to achieve. Any demands for two more provinces, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, would probably doom both Russia and Ukraine to living, and dying, in a 'Vietnam-style' hell for years to come....

2. His alternate strategy, which he appears to have adopted already, is to escalate the scope and scale of this 'special action' he embarked on last February into one which involves putting all of Russia on an intense wartime footing, and using whatever weaponry is necessary to topple the Kiev government. He would, then, presumably, absorb all of Ukraine into the Russian Federation, and if he were to do so successfully, it would leave NATO countries sputtering angry protests at the UN, but, in effect, producing nothing more but 'cold shoulder' sanctions and isolations, of which there are already many....

The key to making 'Number #2' work is, obviously, "using whatever weaponry is necessary", and, given the failure of his military and its conventional, non-nuclear weapons to achieve victory, he must logically turn to the threat of using real nuclear weapons! And now Putin has threatened, very clearly, to do exactly that if Kiev doesn't give him what he wants.

But, for us, it's far worse than that. Putin has directly threatened the United States with nuclear war. And, it is reported now that we have informed Russia that if it uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, there will be "horrific", "catastrophic" consequences for Russia! And how much worse must Putin assume those "consequences" would be if he were to actually launch a first-strike attack against the United States...?

So, what will Putin do? Run the biggest gamble in the history of mankind and hope he can threaten 'the West' into giving him what he wants? But if he's wrong, although he will have been successful in causing vast devastation in most of the NATO countries, and killing millions of its people, he will also surely cause the absolute annihilation of Mother Russia. It will simply cease even to exist.









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It will be most interesting to see how Russia responds to the attack on Nordstream.

 

Taking the high view of the situation over 30 years, it is clear that NATO is the one attempting to surround Russia. That was justifiable when Russia was part of the USSR for a specific fundamental reason: the communist ideology demands the recognition of the necessity for worldwide communist revolution. Communists are very effective at spreading their revolution if A) the country is small and/or economically undeveloped (Cuba/Korea), or B) the country is distracted while fighting a major war (Russia/China). The above reality demands a political/economic/military strategy from those not interested in a worldwide totalitarian communist regime (the stated end goal by Marx, and all, with power, who have followed his ideology). This strategy was coined containment by those who first recognized the threat and the need to act.

But Russia isn't Communist anymore! It removes the entire justification for containment (which can be risky, morally hazardous, and expensive). So NATO should back off imo.

 

NATO and the US will not back off. For pretty much my entire lifetime the US and NATO have been the 2 most belligerent outfits on the planet.

 

9/11 had very unfortunate timing. I think Russia would have made us see that moving east with NATO was unnecessary, and unwise 20 years ago, if not for 9/11. NATO unity, and Western leaders' ability to unite their people was at an all time high in the years following 9/11. I believe it blunted Russia's willingness to send the message they really wanted to. I believe 9/11 exacerbated the expansion in this way.

 

I didn't say troops; I said forces. I was referring to weapons systems, in all of the countries. The weapons systems are the bargaining chips in #1 - 3; numbers of troops are irrelevant nowadays.

But #5 isn't true anymore, because crazily, on the day I mention it as a bargaining chip (I haven't mentioned that pipeline in months), it is destroyed, probably by climate change "preventer", Biden. So you can scratch #5 off the list...

 

Evidently, Russia is conscripting all citizens that stayed in the occupied zones into their army as well. How about that? Instead of Russia being their savior, they throw them onto the front lines to be slaughtered with little to know training, competitive weaponry or say in the matter. Only that some ruthless dictator took over your town and forced you to die for him.

 

I see per your clarification what you were saying that you meant weapons systems when you said “forces”. Your claiming that Biden had the pipeline blown up is even beyond the whackadacle that even QUANON would claim. You must be joking and making fun of QUANON and Orange Guy believers , right!

 

Umm, no Finland and Sweden voluntarily joined after Putins aggression. Apparently that's what putin wanted when he started this campaign.
What else did he think would happen?

If not for NATO, who would prevent Putins land grabs now? No, giving that pedophile any thing only incentivises him to continue expansion.
If not for Russias continued aggression half the world could cut their defence spending in half.

 

Who are these old bastards then?

 

You assume its an attack. You can't rule out normal orcish incompetence

 

Tell that to Chamberlain.

 

You are just another American poster in denial to actually believe it was NOT an attack. You probably don't need the advice, but always believe everything Joe Biden tells you.

 

Well, you appear to be right... at least for the time being. Tomorrow, Russia will formally announce the 'inclusion' of four, formerly-Ukrainian provinces (oblasts) -- Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia. Thus, Russia will now have a 'land bridge' that will extend from Russia's former border all the way to Crimea.








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As it used to have centuries ago....

 

They already had their first forced conscript from Putin's mobilization surrender to Ukrainian Forces. He said he was nabbed of the streets of Moscow and was on the lines in Ukraine just three days later with absolutely no training at all. He surrendered at the first opportunity and that was probably the best thing he could have done. It no doubt saved his life.

 

LOL, says a Pentagon Spokesman!

 

Well, I'm no big 'student' of Russian or Ukrainian history, but as I've understood it, there was no "Ukraine" prior to the establishment of the Soviet Union after the end of World War I. Ukraine, then, was part of the Soviet Union, and it remained so even after Russian premier Khrushchev gave Ukraine self-governing independence as a state within the Soviet Union!

Then, when the Soviet Union imploded in the early 1990's, Ukraine became fully independent as a separate nation on its own, in August 1991.









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There is video.