January 6 Committee has exceeded expectations.

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I agree. Party affiliation is irrelevant. These are just Americans trying to get this country back on the path of Democracy. As you would expect all patriotic to strive for.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Trump never ordered anyone to defend the Capitol against his goons, and it took hours of his aides, abettors, minions, media promoters, and family pleading with him to call them off.
     
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    Prominent among those patriots are the Republican officeholders of integrity and intrepid Trump regime insiders who risked the ire of Trump fanatics by providing sworn testimony.
     
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    You missed my point probably because I garbled the formatting. But the president does not have the authority to order any troops or federal enforcement to defend the Capitol.
     
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    He didn't, obviously, but why did he lie and claim that he had?

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told Fox News earlier this month that he is in favor of a 9/11-style commission to examine key details that contributed to last month’s deadly riot at the Capitol.

     
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    He suggested to Pelosi that he send in the DC National Guard to protect the Capitol. She turned it down. He did order the DC National Guard to help protect the city with the mayor's agreement. It ain't rocket science if you just get through the smoke and mirrors.
     
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    In your desperate need to distort reality to defend Trump, you appear to be contradicting yourself.

    He lost the 2020 presidential election, lied about it, ignored desperate pleas that he call off his goons for hours on January 6, and absconded with classified documents that he then lied about stashing at his posh playground with no regard to national security.

    Try to handle the truth in the interests of the nation. Parroting the falsehoods is sad.


    Did Trump Call in the National Guard After Rioters Stormed the Capitol?

    "Kayleigh McEnany tweeted that the president directed the National Guard to protect the Capitol."...

    In a video posted on Twitter on Thursday, Trump repeated the claim, saying, "I immediately ordered the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders."...

    In a statement Wednesday, Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller did not mention working with Trump. He said he "spoke separately with the Vice President [Mike Pence] and with Speaker Pelosi, Leader McConnell, Senator Schumer and Representative Hoyer about the situation at the U.S. Capitol."...

    As the commander-in-chief, Trump is in charge of the country's armed forces and is the commanding general of the D.C. National Guard...

    When D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser asked for the assistance of the D.C. National Guard (DCNG) earlier in the week, the troops were approved only for crowd and traffic control...

    Once all the authorization was granted, Pentagon spokesman Jonathon Hoffman did not mention Trump's involvement in his official public statement.

    "The D.C. Guard has been mobilized to provide support to federal law enforcement in the District of Columbia," Hoffman said. "Acting Secretary Miller has been in contact with Congressional leadership, and Secretary McCarthy has been working with the D.C. government. The law enforcement response will be led by the Department of Justice."

    The Ruling
    False.

    Numerous reports and statements from defense officials show Trump was not involved in the deployment of the D.C. National Guard to quell the riot at the Capitol.

    Acting Defense Secretary Miller used vague instructions that Trump have given days before the riot to "take any necessary steps to support civilian law enforcement requests in securing the Capitol and federal buildings."

    [https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check...l-guard-after-rioters-stormed-capitol-1560186]
     
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    The impressive sworn testimony of so many Republican officeholders and Trump regime insiders has Trump bum kissers in a tizzy, and the ongoing January 6 Trump goons' prosecutions are a further confirmation of America's dedication to democracy, to truth, to law and order.

    Opening statements are underway in the trial of Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes and other members of the extremist group who face seditious conspiracy and other charges in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

    Rhodes and four co-defendants — Kelly Meggs, Kenneth Harrelson, Jessica Watkins and Thomas Caldwell — have pleaded not guilty to felony charges alleging that they conspired for weeks after the 2020 presidential election to unleash political violence to oppose the lawful transfer of power to Joe Biden.

    The defendants came from Texas, Florida, Ohio and Virginia, and allegedly led a group that traveled to Washington and staged firearms nearby before forcing entry through the Capitol Rotunda doors in combat and tactical gear.

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    Huh?

    "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States"
    United States Constitution, Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1

    Sorry, did I miss something?

    That's just plain false!

    Pelosi does not direct the National Guard. Nor is she in any way in charge of Capitol security. That question would NEVER even have been asked of her but to the Sargents at Arms or to Capitol Police. As the Capitol came under attack, she and Mitch McConnell called for military assistance.

    I think there is desperation on the right to shift responsibilities away from the ONLY one who made an oath to not allow this to happen and had the power to stop it.
     
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    I hope they get these people! Shame on them for protesting while Republican! They should have known that was illegal before ever going there! Put these evil maga forces behind bars!
     
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    So has the prosecution brought the tapes and emails and testimony of their conspiring with Trump yet?
     
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    BULLSHIT! The President is the ONLY person with the right to order the National Guard to intervene in Washington D.C.
     
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    I had not heard that.

    Do you suspect that all Trump goons who attacked the Capitol to prevent the peaceful transfer of power on January 6 were personally invited by Trump?

    He professes to love them and hopes to pardon them, but personal invitations would be time consuming and a bit reckless.

     
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    Well he was impeached for the insurrection, you guys keep saying it was some great big conspiracy by him to overthrow the government and that he is going to be charged with treason, insurrection, a coup. So when does the evidence of HIS involvement come I would think it would be in the opening statements. Are these going to testify against him and his involvement with their plan?
     
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    The guard must be "requested" by the Capitol Police and the overseers Pelosi and her ilk.... Their job was to provide security for the capitol... they failed... no excuse. Security for the capitol is not Trump's job.
     
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    As you are aware, Trump's schemes to thwart the will of the People were not limited to his screeching at his goons to go to the Capitol and fight like hell - a sordid spectacle that afforded him hours of viewing pleasure, as he ignored the pleas of associates, minions, media promoters, and family to call them off. His fake elector scam and attempts to intimidate Republican governors and secretaries of state have also been exposed.

    The Loser persists in lying about the election's certified result.

    I have confidence in America's system of jurisprudence, despite Trump toadies' understandable chagrin and inability to show patience as the evidence accrues.

    Whether you expect that "he is going to be charged with treason, insurrection, a coup," is not a matter about which I have speculated.

    I still maintain that exposing the truth is of far greater importance than prosecutions.
     
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    Try to get the facts straight. I'm talking about the Capitol grounds, not Wash. D.C.
     
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    This is about the riot at the Capitol and Jan 6 and claims that Trump was involved and conspired for it to happen and should be charged with treason, insurrection and obstruction of justice.

    So was Trump's role in that brought up in the opening statements or not?

    Which is not the purpose of a trial against someone nor the role of the DOJ. Nor is it the role of Congressional committees as I have previously cited.

    Tell me what "truth" about Jan 6 are you lacking?
     
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    The order for Guard support still rests with the President.
     
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    I'm still not getting totally through, and it is getting tiresome. I'll try it slower and succinctly. It is true the president is the one who orders the National Guard out. Pelosi cannot call up the NG. However, the president cannot order the National Guard to the Capitol grounds without explicit requests from Pelosi and probably Schumer.
     
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    He did authorize the guards..... from 3 people present..

    https://rumble.com/v1e17cp-heres-ka...xplaining-how-they-told-the-j6-panel-tru.html
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    He authorized the guard for the capitol.
     
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    Mayor Bowser declined anymore than a hand full for that day.....
    The day before the Trump rally, Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) posted a letter explaining she did not want extra federal law enforcement personnel in Washington, D.C., unless the city's police department was consulted first.



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    That would have been Pelosi and McConnell at the time. But the order would for the guard still would have to have come from tRaitor tRump, who refused and Pence had to step in.
     
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