Rachel Maddow brings an important message about an alarming world trend...

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that is the old trope on how these things worked. But the 'demagogue' has a new form, in keeping with new times.

    In the 21stC, individuals cannot pull off what individuals pulled off 100 years ago .. or even 50 years ago. Individual power historically hinged upon a 'peasantry' without access to alternatives. Those days are long gone, obviously.

    Today's 'demagogue' is the corporate plutocrats, technocrats, bankers, and billionaires who are behind whatever narrative The Establishment is directed to reinforce.
     
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    "God, homeland, and family" are the biggest threats to the helpless dependence they want for all of us.

    Even homeland and family alone (I can take or leave the god part), creates independence. When the working and middle classes have independence, the Overlords have no control.

    Democracy and a self-reliant populace is much too dangerously 20thC for them.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    There's actually a lot of truth to this. Which is probably why the left is trying to tear these things down. They tout that family is just a part of the patriarchy which upholds men as being "superior" (false) and that if you are a nationalist (putting your country first) then you are a racist. (also false)
     
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    You believe that Democrats don't believe in theory behind the Constitution? I agree that some believe this, but not all. When speaking such silly words it's important to self ascribe them rather than shifting focus to a collective. It's a fallacy intended to make your radical views appear more mainstream than they actually are.

    There's a lot of irony behind citing the Federalist Papers to claim anti-federalist views. Some people read one sentence on the internet and think they have all the information they need on a topic despite not understanding any context whatsoever.

    Also, Hamilton and modern day Democrats have very little in common. If he were still alive he'd be more likely to slap you across the face than agree with you using his words to create tortured logic in an effort to legitimatize your views.
     
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  5. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, the one regarding Maddow did not say her opinion wasn't factual, but the one criticizing Tucker emphasized it wasn't factual.

    That's what the headlines say, no matter how many times you try to spin it otherwise. Not the same thing. I understand it would forward your right wing agenda if it were true, but it just isn't.
     
  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Similar slogans used by neofascists and fascists, probably.
    weasel words are not a merit worthy comment.

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  7. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You obviously don't have a problem with hate, given your defense of Donald Trump.
     
  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yet you traffic in weasel words, which is the academic term for vacuous drivel.

    Some day you might consider backing up your claims, but, of course, weasel words are weasel words because they cannot be substantiated owing to......


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  9. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'll file that in the Wishful Thinking File, or maybe the 'you're a legend in your own mind' file, or both. Yeah, both, and indexed.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Her backpedaling?

    Sorry, backpedaling is gloss. We know who she is, she's spend her life telling us who she is. There is no backpedaling over it.

    Here is a tiny sample: Let's see you ignore this:



    And this:

    "Lo penso che Mussolini fossi un buon politico"

    Translates:

    " I believe Mussolini is a great politician" --- Giorgia Meloni

     
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  11. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's quite right, but you are missing the following point.

    No, Mussolini and Gentile weren't thinking of even the most racist American politician when they were espousing fascism,
    however, Trump does, indeed, admire strongmen, Putin, Kim Jong Un, and there is considerable proof of that, so asserting he has fascistic qualities is a reasonable statement, especially given the following:

    . https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Interim Staff Report FINAL.pdf

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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    How about a few months ago, hmm?

     
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    All their criticisms are pure BS. They tear down the family because the family empowers the common man. Family and land, to be precise (and two have gone together for all of human history). That common man can be poor - but if he has shelter, dirt, water, and people, he's beholden to no state or king. It means his vote is never certain ... because he does not live in fear of being alone, homeless, and hungry. That makes him very powerful. So powerful that the Overlords need him and his kind eradicated.

    They want to dismantle democracy in the process, because democracy is what allows our common man to choose both family/land, and his vote.
     
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    Opinions are neither factual or non-factual. Maybe if you learned the distinction between fact and opinion, you'd realize that Maddow is nothing more than a talking head.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No one is saying 'neofascism' isn't want people want in Italy. We're just saying what it is.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, the 'demagogue' is always the 'personality' in the cult of personality.

    In America, it's Trump.

    In Brazil, it's Bolsonaro.

    In Italy, it is probably going to be Meloni.
     
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    An opinion could very well be factual. You're obfuscated the salient point that the headlines went out of their way to indicate Tucker wasn't factual. They didn't make that distinction regarding Maddow.

    What Maddow does, almost always, is bring on an expert, or an author ( if she is discussing the contents of an article or book) to confirm whether she was incorrect.in her 'opinions' given regarding the article or book, or subject.

    So, there it is, I cannot recall a time when someone she interviewed declared she was wrong.

    So, her 'opinions' are vastly more correct than not.
     
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    Ok, lets be very clear. This woman won in a free and fair election. This was the Democratic will of the people. In other words, when Democrats cry about protecting "Democracy", THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AS EXPRESSED BY THEIR VOTES. When Democrats cry about protecting "Democracy", they are talking about a global unipower that solidifies the power of the progressive left. Keep this in mind the next time these nuts accuse the Republicans of being threat to "our Democracy".
     
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    So, right on queue, the name calling starts because the OP couldn't come up with a cogent argument that defended their own histrionics....
     
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    As for amusement, you do me far better, the way you criticize my writing, and yet copy from me (as with your closing comment, which I have previously quoted to you).

    Likewise, subsequent to my objections to your justification of something, based on making a distinction without a difference, I saw you attempting to use this expression, about someone else. I wouldn't be surprised if you have also used the word, "predicate," to mean a "foundation," after your going on, ad nauseum, after I had done it, insisting that I was stepping outside of common usage, so should not have expected to have been understood. Heck, I only noticed your calling yourself a pantheist, after I had posted about that being my own denomination.

    You only maintain a pretense of being a thinker, by relying on appropriated ideas-- except in the case of your stroke of genius theory, that Socrates never existed; that one is clearly, all you-- and yet attack one of those, from whom you borrow.

    Maddow's excruciatingly slow, redundant beating of an idea, to make sure all those who are very slow on the uptake, while the rest of us must wait for to proceed, is nothing at all, like my covering ideas, in a comprehensive manner. Further explanation, is not the same as repetition; but I know you do not trouble yourself, with such "details." Also, I would point out that your comment about my not appreciating Maddow's style, not meaning that she is not "brilliant," would apply equally to your stated irritations with my style, not meaning that I am not making intelligent points. But that would only be of value, to someone who was not a dyed in the wool hypocrite.

    Your changing of "always," to "usually" or "often," or whatever
    specific word you'd used, to convey that same idea, does not at all address my post, about your stated opinion being out of line with both your linked article, and what you imply to be Maddow's position, in your response to my first post, anyway (when you "dismantled" my logic, supposedly)-- still liking those meaningless distinctions, aren't you? I would explain this to you, if you were not already proven to be unwilling to concede your own mistakes, and so someone for whom it is a waste of time to go over such obvious things, only for your benefit, when you will not gain anything from my simplifying things, for you. All I would gain, from such a pointless exercise, would be more of your argumentative smoke screens, such as this reply of yours-- in which you did not clarify your own view of the cause of the trend towards fascism-- is a case, in point.
     
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    The OP is correct, there's a worldwide trend to more conservative, traditional government...national populism. Where it goes wrong is in thinking this is a dangerous development, it isn't. This is a natural reaction to corrupt and overbearing, culture-destroying, globalist oriented, liberal governments. Giorgia Meloni is correct, current liberal government and culture hate God, family, and country. Western countries are on an intentional path of cultural suicide.
     
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    Your link does not erase the egregious abuses of power your party is known for. While neither party can be considered the party of freedom and small government, dems are just a little worse on this issue. You live in CA with me and will not be able to make a case that dems are less invasive than reps.
     
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    Wow it took you only one post to totally change the topic!

    Actually I suppose it's all for the better rather than you continuing to posting from this book:

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    looks like Italy will be great again. Time for me to finish that dual citizenship process I started but then lost interest in.
     
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