Did President Biden blowup the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Uh no. There is nothing to be gained by doing so and much to lose. There is no one gains anything by sabotaging the pipeline except possibly China and even there the risks far out weigh the potential rewards.
     
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    1.And 11.6 is down about 3 million barrels from the US high water mark in 2019 pre pandemic. So your sources are as usual lying to you.
    2. Your sources are confounding drilling and exploration permits. The fact is the Biden administration has signed off on the fewest number of drilling permits of any administration since WWII.
     
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    The question you should be asking is...why wouldn't he? It apparently supports countries that are opposed to his invasion of Ukraine. Doing so, especially if he can somehow pin the blame on the US, would hurt any response to his aggression, and if he pins the blame on the US....would hurt relations between the US and European countries. That all plays into Putin's hands.
     
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    these pipelines do not need to be sabotaged. each is a natural disaster waiting to occur. those bubbles could be caused by a bad weld or a slight twist caused by currents or being bumped by a whale.

    explosives would be causing a LOT more leakage than that.
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is it possible Biden gave orders to blowup pipelines?
    Yes, it is possible, but there is no proof.

    Is it possible Putin gave orders to blowup pipelines?
    Yes, it is possible, but there is no proof.

    Is it possible Zelenski gave orders to blowup pipelines?
    Yes, it is possible, but there is no proof.

    So what we can do?

    If you hate Biden, blame Biden.
    If you hate Putin blame Putin.
    If you hate Zelenski, blame Zelenski.

    But if in the near future other WORKING pipelines which supply gas to Europe will be sabotaged, blowing Nord Stream pipelines WILL LOOK like false flag operation of Putin. Not a proof, but a strong suspicion.
     
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    Well I've asked often enough what's Russia's motivation to blow up their own pipelines, and have not gotten any good answers, although I think "sympathy" is the worst one.
     
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    Interesting. You now seem to be making the argument that the US has the most motivation to sabotage the pipeline. What changed your mind?
     
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    Biden is the only one who publicly vowed to take out the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine.
     
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    Russia is bunch of weaklings. He might want to worry about all the able bodied Russian men running for the hills.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    So do we all agree this should be investigated.... the corrupt DOJ won't but the Republicans will in Nov... I would think 3 impeachments for Joe Biden ..... Border, Afghanistan, and now this would make Joe the leader in presidents impeached... Biden's answer was definitely inciting Russia.... if "peaceful and patriotically" is incitement, then I am sure ""We will bring it to an end" fails well within that.
     
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    Hell I think if it was us, we should scream it from the rooftops. Screw Russia and their murderous thuggery.

    When did the Republicans get so cozy with Russia? I bet Ronny Raygun is rolling in his grave.
     
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    Lesson: Western Europe cannot ever count on Russia to supply energy or anything else.
     
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    trump expanded and extended the war in yemen.

    invited the iranian general to peace talks and blew him away (the war crime of "perfidy")

    gave kurdish allies to the turks

    surrendered yo the taliban

    failed coups in haiti, venezuela, and who knows where else

    appeased every autocratic dictator in the world

    and began the civil war ii in the usa.

    peace? yea, right.
     
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    That's a good question. Biden seems determined to undermine Europe these days. Which doesn't make much sense unless the global elite he works for aren't happy with how the EU has staggered along its drudge march towards soviet style communism...

    At any rate, are we simply to ignore that Joe said it, and then it happened? Gosh, like it's magic, but Joe had nothing to do with the sabotage that isolated Europe even more in their dependence on Russian Oil? I mean, who wins? The ME? The US? likely neither. Do Joe's handlers simply believe that there is money to be made on a general war in Europe? Hard to know.
     
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    Yes, Trump had the right policy on this. Economic sanctions to prevent the pipeline from being built was the right way to handle it. Unfortunately, Biden decided to lift the sanctions and allow the pipeline to built. And, now it looks like there's a chance he blew it up in an act of terrorism that will destroy Baltic Sea ecosystems.
     
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    What an incredibly incoherent response.
     
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    So far Biden's decisions in Ukraine seem far more sound and rationale than those made by Putin.

    “Russian President Vladimir Putin often evokes the Soviet Union’s epic defeat of Nazi Germany during World War II to justify his country’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Yet Putin is committing some of the same blunders that doomed Germany’s 1941 invasion of the USSR – while using “Hitler-like tricks and tactics” to justify his brutality, military historians and scholars say.

    This is the savage irony behind Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine that’s become clear as the war enters its second month: the Russian leader, who portrays himself as a student of history, is floundering because he hasn’t paid enough attention to the lessons of the “Great Patriotic War” he reveres.

    “I have been trying to make sense of this for a month, because as terrible as Putin is, you could never say he was illogical,” says Peter T. DeSimone, an associate professor of Russian and Eastern European history at Utica University in New York.

    “All of this is illogical, and that’s the scary thing,” he says. “This is not normal for what he’s done in the past. This is something that makes no sense on many levels, and not just in regard to World War II.”
    CNN, Putin is making the same mistakes that doomed Hitler when he invaded the Soviet Union, Analysis by John Blake, CNN
    Updated 4:39 AM EDT, Sat April 2, 2022.
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/02/world/putin-invasion-mistakes-hitler-blake-cec/index.html
     
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    LOL...Ahh yes. With a wave of your hand, you just magically excuse away all of Bidens failures (NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS!!). With your mindset, it must be very confusing for you as to why his approval rating is so low and why it is that even Democrat politicians far and wide when asked, refuse to support him for 2024.

    This must not make a lick of sense to you. To everyone else however, it is blatantly obvious. This is precisely why the odds of Biden being on the ticket in 2024 is effectively zero.
     
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    Putin's decisions from the start have been misinformed and irrational. Assuming that the pipeline did not fail from some structural failure Putin may simply want the EU to pay a high price for its support for Ukraine. Many will freeze and die this winter.
     
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    It makes no sense at all.
     
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    1) Pre pandemic huh?

    3 million barrels? 11.6 to 12.23 is 3 million


    12.23 million barrels per day

    U.S. crude oil production grew 11% in 2019, surpassing 12 million barrels per day. Annual U.S. crude oil production reached another record level at 12.23 million barrels per day (b/d) in 2019, 1.24 million b/d, or 11%, more than 2018 levels. The 2019 growth rate was down from a 17% growth rate in 2018.
    https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/d... crude oil production,17% growth rate in 2018.


    Pandenic huh? THAT'S 3 MILLION?

    Apr 30, 2020

    Special Report: Trump told Saudi: Cut oil supply or lose U.S. military support - sources

    In an April 2 phone call, Trump told Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that unless the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) started cutting oil production, he would be powerless to stop lawmakers from passing legislation to withdraw U.S. troops from the kingdom, four sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.

    Trump delivered the message to the crown prince 10 days before the announcement of production cuts. The kingdom’s de facto leader was so taken aback by the threat that he ordered his aides out of the room so he could continue the discussion in private, according to a U.S. source who was briefed on the discussion by senior administration officials.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...se-u-s-military-support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4



    2) Since over 90% of energy production is on ORUIVARE lands and energy corps are sitting on 9,000 EXISTING permits? Why would that matter much? His first yrear out paced Trump by 34% right?

    06/21/2022
    After winter drilling permit slump, BLM approvals back up

    “They can drill,” he told journalists Friday, citing the 9,000 figure. “They’re not doing it.”

    Industry has balked at the message, noting that permit approvals do not guarantee drilling, which depends on finances, local regulations and the availability of materials like steel and workers. Oil and gas leaders have emphasized that the workforce and supply chain issues are particularly difficult obstacles to oil field development.

    “Operators in Wyoming will continue to navigate all current constraints on the industry — including workforce and supply chain challenges — to increase drilling and help push down gas prices so long as valid APDs are issued,” said Ryan McConnaughey, vice president of the Petroleum Association of Wyoming in an email.
    https://www.eenews.net/articles/after-winter-drilling-permit-slump-blm-approvals-back-up/

    U.S. producers reluctant to drill more oil, despite sky-high gas prices

    As to why they weren't drilling more, oil executives blamed Wall Street. Nearly 60% cited "investor pressure to maintain capital discipline" as the primary reason oil companies weren't drilling more despite skyrocketing prices, according to the Dallas Fed survey.


    Only 11% cited environmental, social or governance issues; 8% said they had difficulty getting financing; 15% cited other reasons.


    Wall Street demands profits


    "Investors in energy stocks have been a bit thrown off by the volatility, so they're looking more for energy firms to pay back down their debt, or return money to shareholders, rather than going and investing in new wells — even if those new wells would be profitable," Ashworth said.

    ..."Investors have demanded restraint and capital discipline of their client companies," one survey taker told the Dallas Fed.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oil-pr...mpanies-wont-increase-2022-dallas-fed-survey/

    August 10, 2022

    Mandela Barnes right that U.S. has more more oil and gas permits than ever before



    Indeed, the number of existing permits also peaked in 2021 at 16,096.


    Meanwhile, there are 14,427 overall permits so far in 2022, a number that could increase as the year continues.
    https://www.statesman.com/story/new...gas-permits-now-than-ever-before/65397713007/


    What other BS you got?
     
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    Weird, Europes leaders disagree

    Europe pointing at Russia, alleging sabotage for Nord Stream damage


    Though investigations into the simultaneous leaks in the Nord Stream pipelines have only just started, sabotage appears the most likely cause, policymakers said. Many blamed Russia, which is waging a war in Ukraine and has been using energy supplies to Europe as leverage against the continent.

    “There is reason to be concerned about the security situation in the Baltic Sea region,” Bodskov said in a statement after meetings at NATO. “Russia has a significant military presence in the Baltic Sea region, and we expect them to continue their saber rattling.”


    Some politicians said they believed the explosions were a threat. “These incidents show that energy infrastructure is not safe,” Viktorija Cmilyte-Nielsen, speaker of Lithuania’s Parliament, told a local radio station on Wednesday. “It can be interpreted as a warning.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/28/nord-stream-russia-methane-leak-baltic-sea/

    NO PAYWALL LINK
    https://archive.ph/4lrBt

    Western officials for months have been warning that Russia could cut natural gas exports to Europe to pressure Brussels over its support of Ukraine.

    Russia accounted for about 40 percent of EU natural gas supplies last year, giving it enormous leverage over energy prices in the bloc. Much of the natural gas, which is used to heat homes in the winter, flows through the Nord Stream pipelines.

    Nord Stream 1 accounted for more than one-third of Russian natural gas exports to the EU last year


    ...Moscow began reducing gas flows through Nord Stream 1 earlier this year, claiming Western sanctions had caused technical difficulties, driving prices to record highs and pushing the EU toward a recession.




    It completely suspended exports along the pipeline in August as the EU imposed more sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.

    Russia could face billion-dollar lawsuits from European customers if it doesn’t resume the gas flows along Nord Stream 1.

    But analysts say Moscow can now try to use the explosions to declare force majeure -- circumstances beyond its control due to an unforeseen event -- and avoid penalties.
    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-nord-stream-leaks-sabotage-eu/32055729.html
     
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    Europe pointing at Russia is a surprise? They do whatever Uncle Sam tells them to do, and have for decades.

    If Uncle Sam tells them the naked emperor's clothes are beautiful, that's what they do, same as so many Americans. :lol:
     
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    Weird I heard STOPPED not take out? What would Brandon gain by "taking it out"?
     
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    It's no surprise that the conspiracy theorists believe in Putin more than they believe in their own government. Who was it saying that Putin was very smart and savvy when he invaded Ukraine? Now, his troops are in retreat, military-aged men are fleeing the country, and he has to fake elections to eke out a small "win" by trying to pretend that the occupied territories now belong to Russia, against international law. Doesn't sound very smart and savvy to me. At least, he has exposed Russia for the paper tiger it really is.
     
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