Sorry Liberals, But The Nazis Were Progressive Leftists

Authority in a socialist system is decided by a collective vote.
Unlike in a fascist state.

 

Your absurd claim should not go unchallenged.

Fascists are a reaction to revolutionary socialism. You keep promoting extreme rightwing nonsense to cover up the potential for rightwing violence.

 

Do stop conflating economic and political theory.
There are many democratic socialist countries across the world. Socialism works well in a democracy which demands that the will of the people is (generally) followed. As in any other democracy.

 

Probably one of the more absurd claims I've seen on this forum. Old Joe is a lot of things, but fascist isn't one of them.

 

American often see "democratic socialist" as "democratic socialist." They simply don't understand that Marxism-Leninism is not democratic socialism.

Collective production, the essence of socialism (not democratic socialism), doesn't work well and has been abandoned around the world.

 

I said democratic socialism works well.
I didn't mention collectivity . In fact I understand it to mean a group of people who agree to work together for mutual benefit. Socialism strives to do the same on a bigger scale and by common consent.
I agree with your first paragraph and do wish they would properly understand the terms they use.

 

It matters because the rightwing extremists are also a threat to our democracy.

 

IMO any politically toned tyranny is unwanted.
It isn't socialism or capitalism that is a danger, it is the lack of democracy, a feature of fascism.

 

Hitler rose to power on the back of socialism.

 

Nope!

 

Democratic socialism is income and wealth redistribution.

I understand, but a lot of people on this forum do not.

"Work together" in what sense? Social Security is democratic socialism, but recipients are spending the benefits as they see fit.

Democratic socialism, yes.

 

No, he rose to power with the support of capitalists who turned to the fascists when the liberal democracy failed to respond to leftwing violence.

 

Drexler's political platform was not socialism
You recently quoted some of the articles he and Hitler devos3d. There is nothing socialist in it. It all vacuums social and financial assets into state control, to be run under one voice.
Repeating something that is wrong does not make it right.

 

I think the better statement is that "extremists" are a threat to our democracy, regardless of where on the political spectrum folks want to put them.

 

Yes. He did. He came out of the national socialist party and had a 25 point plan that was largely socialist.

 

socialism
sō′shə-lĭz″əm
noun

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

See what ole @yardmeat fails to acknowledge when he talks about Hitler infighting with his socialists is that they wanted the first type of socialism. Socialism controlled by the collective. But Hitler wanted socialism controlled by the government.

But they both wanted socialism.

 

Bur this describes a fascist government!

The difference is where/how the economy is redistributed.
This is now the third time I said so.

 

Privatization is the opposite of socialism. You'll be able to engage in the conversation once you understand that. I won't be holding my breath.

 

No. It describes socialism. Fascism means it’s controlled by a dictator. Which is what socialism and communism ultimately devolves into.

 

Government control of industry is not privatization, it’s socialism.

 

Privatization is privatization. Do we seriously need to go over the law of identity?

 

I have explained to you that it describes a centralis3d state directed economy under the unique control of an unelected government whose first interest is to support the state, not the people.
You didn't take up my post but hopped off to some other issue.
Frankly I really don't care what you think since you don't engage with other people's posts. Just keep repeating what has been shown to be wrong

I can tell you exactly what running a business during the Weimar Republic was like. And it was NOT a socialist economy.
I dont have time for those who won't learn.
I'm out.

 

Privatization is when public control of industry or business is handed over to PRIVATE ownership. Which is the exact opposite of what both socialism and the Nazi’s proposed.

 

It's the opposite of what the pre-Hitler Nazis initially proposed. Hitler was fine with privatization and engaged in more of it than western capitalist countries did. There was MORE privatization under Hitler than before him.

 

First of all you don’t even know what socialism is if you think that a centralized government controlling industry isn’t socialism. So to be quite honest, you don’t have even the remotest clue what you’re talking about. You should be happy I engaged with you at all seeing as how you don’t even understand the topic.