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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Then you are showing your hypocrisy because that is exactly what you tried to do with me. Thanks for playing the game.
     
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    It very much overturns ANY interest balancing test for the 2nd amendment. EVERY state uses an interest balancing test.

    Carry IN court has a historic analog. Everything else you describe has no historic analog other than private businesses barring arms which only allows them to tell you to **** off.
    The school grounds bit: No historic analog so that's ripe to be overturned as well.

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    As to universal: You're not getting that once a court case takes place the progeny decisions take a bit of time to work through. That's ok, you're a lay person who doesn't know anything, so that's to be expected.
     
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    because fighting to the death is what got Japan nuked, is that the end you want for zelensky?
     
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    You used a key word, "consider," which has no legal bearing on the topic. On another note, many people consider Americans to be "rich" or arrogant or a lot of other things, depending on which country you decide to visit.

    But in war, politics make strange bedfellows. We were allies with people like Ho Chi Mihn, Mao Zhe Tong, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. We were even at war with the Republic of India in WW2 yet Indians fought on our side. But then again, one man's terrorist makes another man's freedom fighter, right?
     
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    Speaking of hypocrisy, do you support Ukraine's defense of its land as passionately as you support Palestinians defense of their land?
     
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    1) None of that was copy and pasted.
    2) See Brandenburg v Ohio.
    3) Saying you support a right to protest does not mean you underwrite the particular speech on display, and certainly doesn't trigger the rule of ****ing parties.
    4) See Brandenburg v Ohio for imminence. Their speech was not imminent and could only be so if officers were telling them to put their hands up and their response was we shoot back. A2 fails, as already explained to you in painstaking detail.
    5) Being illegal isn't what they were referring to with the comments you claim were incitement and or terroristic threat. They're referring to cops and the "hands up don't shoot" Michael Brown shooting false narrative advanced that he attempted to surrender. SO there's that. Since no cops are ordering them to do anything or in danger, since none of them are being arrested, that fails as well. Me saying "i'll shoot you if you do X" and you aren't doing X and had no intention of doing X is not a terroristic threat.
    6) If they referred to white males telling them to put their hands up they'd shoot back, that too would be protected political speech. Protected speech is almost by its very nature going to be somewhat vile or otherwise offputting. That's why it has to be protected. You don't need to protect agreeable speech because no one gives a **** about it.
     
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    You are merely parroting what istated a page back, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. How does this further the discussion? I'll tell you how, it doesn't. You don't want to discuss it, evidently
     
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    MAD didn't apply in Japan's case. It certainly does here and Putin is neither suicidal nor megalomaniacal enough to think all of Russia should die since he can't have his preferred toy, no matter how much silly posturing he's done over the years or presently.
     
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    I am not talking about history, I am talking about each invididual state law. In Texas, I do know that many bars do not want firearms in their establishment and post signs to that effect, whether you open carry, conceal carry, or just carry. And yes, that is perfectly legal and Constititonal for that private business to make such a claim. And you as an attorney will not win that court case in any court in the State of Texas. Want to give it a try there bud?
     
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    A. Because it is war that nullifies any argument you may have with the Azov Regiment.
    B. Terrorism or acts of terrorism is always political by nature, and my point is to show the hypocrisy of the right.
    C. I will let you figure the rest for yourself.
     
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    Go read Bruen.
    Bruen clarifies the test that ANY gun law has to pass. Yesterday you cited that the SCOTUS must always enter in to a balancing test when examining a law. This is, DEMONSTRABLY AND EXPLICITLY, false post Bruen.

    As stated: The individual laws will need to be challenged under the clarified test. Since those laws rely on balancing tests, they cannot pass the clarified test. FPC, NAGR and GOA are all already funding various test cases in each circuit.
    As I recall it, next up is state level MG, SBR, and suppressor restrictions.

    Private businesses have always been able to direct their patrons to disarm if they want to be patrons. That's their right. It cannot be forced by law, but they can of their own free will put up a conforming sign. Hooray. That's always been allowed. What is not allowed are: Background checks, carry permits, type restrictions, ammo restrictions, magazine restrictions, feature restrictions, waiting periods, prohibited persons, etc.

    https://www.firearmspolicy.org/bruen-faq
    https://www.firearmspolicy.org/legal
     
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    Historically, it was the lack of decisions by the government that led to the two nukes on Japan. The army wanted to continue fighting, everyone else did not. Even when Emperor Hirohito made the annoncement to surrender, certain members of the Army attempted a coup but failed. And yes, the army was training its populace to fight to the death. But with the Potsdam agreement being applied to Japan equally as to Germany, the Army leaders refused while the rest of the government was trying to find a way out and attempted to do so.

    As for the Japanese soldiers, that way or belief was developed during the Edo and Meiji period of Japan. It is a form of perverse Shintoism that led to this under the book, "Way of the Warrior."
     
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    Clarifies does not mean overturned, does it Reality?

    I have read the case. This link is what I use. Gets rid of all the politics.
     
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    and this is why USA shouldn't be allowed nukes since they bully non nuke nations. Do you oppose Russia bullying non nuke nations yet condone USA doing such?
     
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    Nothing in Bruen supports your statement.
     
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    It also nullifies any argument you have with Russia then. So we are basically back at you not being allowed to condemn Russia. Which is why istated that your parroting of my comment resorts to circular logic.
     
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    If Russia uses a nuke, it won't be air-launched, it won't be ICBM, SLBM or IRBM, or even an artillery nuke such as the 2S4 artillery system. It will be ground, in a truck, and detonated near a strategic target with a few hundred or a thousand soldiers being sacrificed.
     
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    The belief of Ukraine fighting to the death stems from NATO supply of heavy weapons and the intrinsic belief from NATO that European colonialism and brutality is a force for good.

    This is no different from Japan's belief, so surely the same must apply and the response should be nuking Ukraine, no?
     
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    I don't think you understand what hypocrisy means. By all means feel free to show how I was hypocritical.
     
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    Like I said, I'm sorry I was not specific enough for you. I assumed too much of your ability to reason things out with some intelligence. Even after a follow up post you apparently still do not understand that I am not talking about kids, elderly, the disabled, and those already working. Unfortunately I simply do not know how to dumb down what I said any further so you will just have to deal with this.
     
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    1. Yeah it was.
    2. YOu are intentionally misconstruing Brandenburg v Ohio.
    3. I am not underwriting anything.
    4. That was on the conviction, but not for the condemnation as a society that we can decide on. As a society that goes beyond the scope of a court of law, doesn't it?
    5. Michael Brown did have his hands up and a bullet or two went through his hands according to the autopsy report. However, the Michael Brown incident was a bad one in which the police officers overreacted with a person fleeing IMO. That being said, if they are told by police to comply with the commands given to them and they are willing to shoot first, then that puts local law enforcement in danger, period.
    6. Again, condoning violence is not the answer here and should be dealt with legally. Yes, political speech can be vile, but it does not have to be, does it? It is a huge problem we have today and why so many people are more than willing to commit acts of violence ranging from road rage to straightup murder because of a few words. We saw that on January 6th and I see it here on this forum depending on who the group is and who they are directing it too. Conservatives and Liberals are all too often willing to condone one group and condemn another, depending on the facts and circumstances.
     
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    they are defending their country from a foreign invader called Russia. Different set of circumstances here.

    The other fact is that Japan stuck first. First in Manchuria, then the US, and then to the rest of the SW Pacific Area including the Philippines. Not the same with Ukraine.
     
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    Like I said, you don't know **** about people on welfare and your posts prove that fact all too clear. You were clear enough the first time and I recognized the argument you are making. If you think it is only black fols sitting on their arse doing nothing while collecting welfare, you are totally ignorant of the situation by about 3 decades.
     
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    Yeah, I do, but the problem with you though is that you have run out of elementary schoolyard-style insults to cite. But then again, you don't know much at all and it shows.

    As I said, you are all for this type of violence because it fits your political motif. If it doesn't, you will be more than willing to condemn violence such as BLM protests, any BLM protest, as violent by guilty by association. And that is hypocritical whether you agree with it or not.
     
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    Just wait until Blacks and the 'migrants' start fighting over how big their 'slices of the welfare pie' are. THAT'S when we'll see some real fireworks! :lol:
     
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