Family says fatal shooting case shows ‘stand your ground’ defense doesn’t work for Black men

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  1. Reality

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    Some guys? No. A GUY was driving the car and trying to run him off the road and the only reasonable belief he could form would be against THAT person operating the vehicle.
    He shot a passenger who per se was not operating the vehicle. Ergo he acted unreasonably as the passenger was unable to present an imminent threat by operating a motor vehicle because they were not, in fact, operating a motor vehicle. Nor did he shoot the left hand front seat and oopsie because the car was a british model driving american roads or some bullshit like that that might give him an excuse.
    He 1) fired wildly into the air and 2) then shot the passenger.
    Neither of those acts are a) reasonable or b) protected by stand your ground.

    Again: STAND YOUR GROUND WAS NOT USED IN THE ZIMMERMAN CASE.
     
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    Yelling the N word isn't enough to shoot someone over, period. Doesn't matter if he knew who was screaming it, its common knowledge that the DRIVER drives the car and the PASSENGERS don't.
    He shot the PASSENGER, not the DRIVER.

    Yet it would be reasonable to shoot the operator committing felonious vehicular assault/attempted murder and not reasonable to shoot the passenger. Why? The passenger isn't operating the vehicle and so is not able to be claimed to be committing an assaultive felony against a person.
     
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    REASONABLY BELIEVE. Not believe.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not before 22 weeks. Different topic, though.
     
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    You are the one who brought it up.
     
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    As far as he can tell, the others are encouraging him. Which is so obvious that it has become clear that you ran out of arguments and are just trying to excuse a completely idiotic law.

    Yes it was! It wasn't used in the courtroom, but Zimmerman wasn't even ARRESTED because of SYG. Attorneys and law enforcement KNOW that in Florida it's legal for a white guy to kill a black guy and they don't even arrest him for it. They see this every day, after this idiotic law passed.
     
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    Of course it's not!!!!!

    So NOW do you understand how idiotic stand your ground laws are?
     
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    Making stuff up. No where in Florida's law does it say it is legal for a white guy to kill a black guy.
     
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    As stated: Even if they too were shouting the N word. This does not somehow magically make them the operator of the vehicle. The vehicle being operated, by the operator, in an aggressive and assaultive fashion against the defendant were what caused him to shoot. That means the operator is fair game, that does not mean the passengers are fair game. Even if they were shouting the N word.


    It was not a defense advanced by the defendant in the Zimmerman case. SYG is an affirmative defense that must be offered by the defendant. It was not. Ergo it has no bearing on the case.

    Additionally: Zimmerman is not white, he's hispanic. Further: That law has nothing to do with race. Zimmerman walked because he shot someone who was on top of him beating the dog **** out of him.
     
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    Which is why dude is going to prison, because he shot someone only shouting the n word. Besides he freely admits he MISSED his target and SYG doesn't protect you if you miss.
    A jury will not find that to be a reasonable belief.
     
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    Doesn't matter, yelling the n word is not clearance to be shot the way felonious assault with a vehicle or attempted murder with a vehicle are.
    And the only person in the vehicle he could shoot was the driver.
    Its possible, but shooting the driver who was attempting to murder him could be found reasonable, whereas plugging a passenger who was not controlling the vehicle cannot be reasonable.
     
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    It doesn't have to SAY it.
     
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    How much of that is caused by the black guy's? They tend to be a more violent race than whites. I know it sounds racist, but it is still true.

    White people tend to kill only white people and black people tend to kill only black people. Blacks kill about as many blacks as whites kill whites and they do it with one seventh the population.

    I may be off on the stat, ,but this is how I remember it. Black man is forty times as likely to be killed by another black man as he is to be killed by a policeman.
     
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    Then for the 100th time, why aren’t people going around murdering anyone they want using the excuse “I believed I was in danger” loophole? Don’t you understand how ridiculous you sound:) It’s just comical, hehe.
     
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    Why would people go around murdering people? What is wrong with you?
     
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    Wow I can kill whoever runs me off the road? What an awesome freedom I didn’t know I had
     
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    Happens every day. People murder people all the time. What doesn’t happen is they easily get off by simply stating they “believed” they were in danger. Like YOU said, they just have to believe it and they can use stand your ground to defend themselves. It’s why the law is stupid right? It lets people just believe something and they can kill people…unless they’re black obviously. Stand your ground doesn’t work if you’re black, you said:)

    Nice try though. How long will you continue the charade in this thread:) keep it up. It’s so entertaining for us.
     
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    Prove that he was denied SYG due to his skin color. And don't quote statistics. They are generalized and have nothing to do with THIS case. And don't quote the family either because they are, at best, biased. I want facts. Not emotions. Not appeal to emotions. Not assumptions either. FACTS. Prove, with FACTS, that this guy was denied SYG due to his skin color.
     
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    You obviously cannot wrap your head around the concept of a reasonable belief. You are one confused individual. Life must be difficult for you.
     
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    Read the OP!

    I am not the author of the OP, but the story the poster referenced contains a link explaining what this is all about.
     
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    So you're not going to prove it. Which means you got nadda and are doing nothing more than race baiting. You're the one making the claim in this thread. Its not my job to prove your claims. YOU BACK IT UP.
     
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    Not my thread. The OP demonstrates what I said.
     
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    No one, not even the OP, made the claim that it was due to skin color that caused Marc to not get SYG standing. Only you and his family have made the claim. The family is not here to argue their point. You are. Its not surprising that you try to deflect.
     
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