This Is The Way It Is Supposed To Work

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  1. Dayton3

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    The inherent reason for "justifying killing (not murder)" is "self defense". That hardly applies to most abortions.
     
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    Most abortions are done out of necessity.
    Its literally the most expensive form of birth control.
     
  3. Dayton3

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    "economic reasons" is not a "necessity" at all. It is a "convenience"
     
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    And it's something you will never, ever have to deal with. But it's something you claim to know everything about.

    There are as many reasons for getting an abortion as there are women who get them. Try thinking of women as individuals, not cookie cutter
    baby incubators.
     
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    You claim a lot about how you think I think of women despite no evidence of that.
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Posts 26 and 28 are proof of how you think of women, people with no rights who aren't harmed by pregnancy and don't have economic hardships.....all wrong..
     
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    The ideal and reality are far apart, in most areas of life. People with unwanted pregnancies have failed to act prudently in advance, just as people buried in debt have. Yes, we are "supposed to" do better- but being humans, we often do not learn from advice or even from the consequences of experience..

    We do provide on-going education in such things, but human nature is such that this often fails. Arguing the extreme positions for such things antagonizes issues and brands people- but fails to solve any problems; rather it reduces the ability for either side to understand the other or develop viable solutions.

    We have made vast improvements in technology and in medicine. I've thought that an ideal solution to this problem could come from that area, for example- If we could develop a way to suspend fertility without damage, something like an tiny implant for men and women both that would stay in place and remain effective until it was removed. Possibly, implanted in all newborns. At such time you have your adult life in order and are fully prepared to have children by choice, your physician easily removes it. Possible? I think it would be, if we chose to pursue development. I suspect that in the same way some people see contraception as unacceptable, this would be unacceptable- insuring the battle to control other people's decisions would never end. Until then, people will continue to make choices for the moment while ignoring the long-term, and regardless of laws or religious dictates, abortions will take place. They have for thousands of years, we can't actually stop them. The people who demand we do don't want to be responsible for the resulting affects of bringing an unwanted child into the world- and that usually results in another set of problems. Intransigence will not prevent or resolve such things. Seems that just as in every aspect of human life, we tend to be our own worst enemies, even when we believe we are in the right.
     
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    Uh, why are YOU against these people deciding what they want to do with their own bodies in order to prevent pregnancies?
     
  9. Dayton3

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    And once again you are lying about what I've posted. Typical internet bully boy. I never said women "don't have economic hardships".
     
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    The state is allowed to commit murder, and it writes the rules. Get used to it.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Posts 26 and 28 are proof of how you think of women, people with no rights who aren't harmed by pregnancy and don't have economic hardships.....all wrong..
    So you still think """you think of women, people with no rights who aren't harmed by pregnancy""

    ;) you forgot to address THAT ;)
     
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    On this subject I can accept the state has an interest at viability outside womb and that science makes that determination.for the state. Beyond that the state has no interest and determinations are made by the people. Medical exceptions that fall outside that determination would be left to the medical professionals and individual.

    What I find curious these days is where the clamoring for state intervention is coming from and for what.
     
  13. Dayton3

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    I never posted that either. You have posted a list of POTENTIAL health problems caused by pregnancies and inferred that pregnancy was a virtual death sentence for most women
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    Nope it's mostly about convenence.
     
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    NO, I did NOT....I posted potential DAMAGE and real DAMAGE SUFFERED IN EVERY PREGNANCY ...denying it is denying science and denigrating what women go through in a pregnancy....which may include DEATH...


    FoxHastings said:
    Posts 26 and 28 are proof of how you think of women, people with no rights who aren't harmed by pregnancy and don't have economic hardships.....all wrong..

    So you still think """you think of women, people with no rights who aren't harmed by pregnancy""

    ;) you forgot to address THAT ;)
     
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    YUPPERS! It is convenient not to die, it is inconvenient to have a kid you don't want and can't afford, it is inconvenient to spend 9 months being pregnant, it is inconvenient to suffer lasting effects from pregnancy, it is inconvenient to lose your job because you miss work due to the pregnancy, it is inconvenient to have financial and educational setbacks......

    So what TF else would a woman have an abortion for????
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    In your opinion its convenient to use abortion as birth control?
     
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    Birth control is a convenience, I do not disagree.
     
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    Honestly, its not necessary.. Birth control is hardly if ever used, for health reasons.
    Ones hardly on the pill because it reduces menstrual headaches, Most condoms arnt worn to protect against STD's, they are used for birth control aka convenience, because they don't even protect from most forms of STD's.
    https://www.healthline.com/health/healthy-sex/what-stds-do-condoms-not-prevent#condom-types
    And If One were a gambling person One could wager on if most abortions may or may not be used to save the life of the mother. They may be because keeping the child alive afterwords will be too expensive, because the relationship involving the father dissolved or was forced, Pregnancy isnt going great, etc, etc.

    So "proving it", will only reveal that Yes, people use birth control to control when they want to be responsible for a child.
     
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    Can you NOT start a thread without including giant straw men?
    Now let’s talk about LARCs that is Long Acting Reversible Contraception and affordability because unless YOUR side has a plan for that we are back where we started - with blaming women instead of finding the real problems and working out real solutions
     
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    When exactly is it “murder”?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/03/california-stillborn-prosecution-roe-v-wade

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544
     
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    That is an over simplistic view
     
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    1995??? Damn should hold it a coming of age party!

    If you want stats the most reliable are Guttmacher

    medical technology has moved on - as reflected by the falling abortion rate

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    https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2003/10/contraceptive-use-key-reducing-abortion-worldwide

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    should not have invited it in
     

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