THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

The Soviets may have been capable of that, thanks of course to the Ukrainians. Russia without Ukraine is impotent and dying.

 

I would be careful about reading too much back into Soviet history from this debacle. There are an absolute ton of factors to consider when doing that. There was (and is) good reason to believe that at its peak (50s through 70s) the Red Army might well have been able to steamroller its way to the Rhine. That army was struggling by the late 80s & dead by the early 90s - remember the first Chechen War? The current senior officers were junior officers during that period of decline. They are not the inheritors of the legacy of Zhukov & Konev.

What most people believed was that Putin had reconstituted a well armed, professional core from the corrupt & incompetent disaster of that army. He did, but it turns out that core was much smaller than thought and the problems that dogged the late Soviet & then Russian military - corruption, terrible logistics, poor training and all that flows from that combination of factors - were WAY bigger than thought. Smaller operations didn't expose that. An operation on this scale against a decently trained and highly motivated enemy has shown every crack.

Peak Red Army during the Cold War was a scary thing, especially during the 70s, when he US Army was struggling with Vietnam & its fallout.

 

In 1978 Brigadier Sir John Hackett wrote The Third World War, August 1985 -- a great book.

 

I read it decades ago. I remember feeling that both that book & Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising used 'cheats' to give NATO a better chance. The Hackett book was the better from a factual perspective. A good read.

 

Hey, if ukie land is such badass as you claim, then they damn sure don't need our money and weapons. I mean, Russia being such a weakling, then you can agree that there is no longer a need for NATO...right?

And who is "you"?

 

Ukrainian tanks take out group of Russian soldiers in the Donetsk region

 

These many years later I have two recollections: the Red Army launched from a "standing start" and the war was decided by the USAF.

 

Reading fiction, cool.

 

Why you running around posting the same dumb slogan .. over and over .. like parrot on broken record .. multiple times to same people. Do you not think that is a bit strange ? .. I mean .. why go through the effort ?

 

I post it where it's needed.

 

Just curious whether or not it was intentional

 

They were so brave bombing civilians in the Donbass for 8 years.....now with 3-4 days worth of targeted hits in Kiev, they are as brave as cockroaches when you flip on the lights.

 

Think of it as kryptonite for Russian evil.

 

Lies won't stop Ukrainian offensive operations or prevent Russia's military collapse.

 

It did cover it - it's in the UK Express, about as mainstream as you can get.
Ever seen The Death of Stalin? Opening scene - Stalin wanted a record of a concert he heard on the radio, but it wasn't recorded. Those musicians were in fear of their lives as Stalin could have them killed for not presenting that record. Putin isn't as bad but he's getting worse. Come to think of it, Xi himself is well on the way to becoming another Mao.

 

.. Don't think twirling around repeating the same thing over and over ... like a parrot on a broken record .. is kryptonite for much Friend Big bad Vlad gonna be staying for awhile . ..

 

Vlad is already circling the drain.

 

The people who seem sympathetic to Russia are basing their opinions on info such as this.

Some of Us Don’t Think the Russian Invasion Was “Aggression.” Here’s Why.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/some-us-dont-think-russian-invasion-aggression-heres-why/5795980

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-ukrainian-army-has-been-defeated-what’s-left-is-mop-up.598202/page-155#post-1073790975


If we could figure out what the truth is, we'd probably all agree.

 

Here is my review and prognosis about the war, especially highlighting where propaganda from one side or the other is totally skewing a proper understanding of what is happening:

1- Stalemate at the front going into the winter

On the front lines, the next few months will mostly be an opportunity for both sides to regroup, reassess, and use lessons learned but neither side is likely to make significant changes in the political map on the ground. Cheerleading minor victories by the Ukrainians and making them appear as some huge loss for Russia, or delusional wishful thinking by pro Russian bloggers awaiting some unexpected surprise offensive, won't change that dynamic as the focus of the conflict will shift in the coming months from the frontlines to elsewhere.

2- End of "Limited Special Operations" and opening salvos of War

A Russian war against Ukraine (never mind NATO) would mean trying to incapacitate Ukraine's war fighting capabilities from top to bottom, using the military (air, naval, ground last), political (e.g., support for anti- Zelensky figures/groups inside Ukraine proper), diplomatic (more "you are with us or against us" pressure on Russia reliant CIS states), real special operations (including deep into Ukraine's capital), cyber (never mind Russia's air force, where are Russia's cyberwarfare specialists?), and economic potential and powers at Russia's disposal. That war has not even started, but the more the Russian Bear is bruised, the more likely that we will see it come up with a sensible strategy to win a war (as opposed to pursuing the incoherent strategy and tactics it had pursued up to now).

3- Slow Starters those Russians: 1941 v 1945 like 2022 v 2024

The potential capabilities of Russia (enormous) should never be confused with the mess they project at beginning of many of their wars. There are plenty of examples you guys should be familiar with, but I will give one you are not: the Russo-Persian War of 1826-28. In the beginning of that war, Iran had regained much of the territories it had lost in the Caucasus as a result of the Russo-Persian War of 1804-1811, but by the end the Persian army was badly vanquished. So badly, in fact, that Iran was forced to sign a treaty forever infamous in Iran for the humiliations its confirmed had been inflicted on it.

4- The Geopolitical Chessboard: Russia v NATO, Iran v Israel

Russia v NATO requires Iran, not so much for drones and missiles, but the Persian Gulf energy supplies and more (including the role of petro$$ in the Ponzi scheme global economic order). The Russians will probably wait to see if their oligarch friends of Israel make enough inroads in upcoming US mid-term elections to rekindle hopes of another Putin Bargain? But if Russia is unwilling to cut-off its entanglements with the Israelis (and the whole "Abraham Accords" crowd) it can never stand up to NATO directly and will have to instead chase this pipedream that its neo-Zionist friends can do the job for them from within instead.

 

No need to deny your love and devotion to Idol Putinski ... like the **** crowing 3 times

 

I wrote to you - terrorists under the guise of volunteers signed up for mobilization. They waited for the right moment for them and committed a terrorist attack. As well as, for example, the terrorists who attacked on September 11th. Under the guise of training, they were trained to fly an aircraft, waited for the right moment .... and committed a terrorist attack.
The Russians, as I wrote to you earlier, went to the American embassy and expressed condolences to the dead by laying flowers, but were not happy that terrorists were prepared by American instructors.
This is the difference between you, who rejoices in the grief of others, and the Russians, who sincerely sympathize with the victims.

 

OCD

 

Don't worry about the Russians. They will be fine. For example, already today the territory of Russia has legally impeccably increased by a size equal to the territories of the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary combined. And pay attention - these are not the smallest states in Europe. Rather, one can even call these states large.

 

Something .. Silicon chip overload ?