THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

That's pie-in-the-sky. Of no consequence in this war.

 

From the article:

Which I agree with. In fact, I expect Russia to start producing these drones locally and to ramp up their production of missiles.

 

Yes. That's more support for my argument, not yours.
I worked with a drone program briefly in the 1990's. What we were doing then was superior to anything Iran is doing now.

 

I posted the quote without explaining why. I edited my post to explain it.

It doesn't matter how "sophisticated" and expensive you rate a military product, but how useful and effective they are in battle. The US, for instance, built a handful of the Global Hawk UAVs costing over $200 million each. One of them of course was shot down by Iran, amounting to something like 20% of the US inventory of such drones...

 

Nothing will come of this in time to prevent Russia's defeat. In fact, nothing will probably ever come of it.

 

Oh, Elbrus. The ancient Soviet "high tech" computer from 1990. I am sure that is just cutting edge technology. LOL!

What do you want to bet any moder ized version uses exclusively foreign made parts and so they are now unable to produce anything other than that ancient relic from 1990? I bet that 32 year old computer is super high tech.

 

Those Iranian drones also are just foreign made parts with virtually nothing but the aluminum shell being made in Iran. Those back channels Iran uses to evade sanctions are being shut down as several downed drones have been captured and handed over to the west so parts and serial numbers can be traced by manufacturers back to who it was sold to and who sold it illegally on to Iran.

 

The US has several thousand drones in inventory so I am not sure where you came up with the fantasy belief that it only has five.

 

Whatever suits your imagination...

 

I was referring to the Global Hawk specifically. You know, this one:
https://www.wired.com/story/iran-global-hawk-drone-surveillance/
The Drone Iran Shot Down Was a $220M Surveillance Monster

 

I expect the Ukrainians will receive the defensive systems they need to deal with any number of these drones.

 

Ok, sure, Boris, my fake Persian friend.

These are the Russian ones (which Russia has now run out of) and the Iranian ones are just the same. All foreign parts because Iran is incapable of making any of it on its own. Just like Russia.

 

I expect your expectation will not prove warranted, even though I also have some doubts about this report pertaining to missiles also to be supplied to Russia.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...o-supply-missiles-as-well-as-drones-to-russia
Iran agrees to supply missiles as well as drones to Russia

 

There are some issues which will need to be worked out wrt costs. It is not a great idea to shoot down $20,000 drones made from civilian parts bought off of Ali Baba Express using $5 million missiles. Kinetic (old fashioned bullets or small exploding shells) guns or laser based systems would be both cheaper and more effective.

 

I still don't get the Russians and Iranians on this board making the same exact post over and over again. It is like copy and paste. Is that promotional propaganda? Why is that?

That is definitely not debating any points or make someone look intelligent.

 

That sort of stuff only happens with controlled propaganda and misinformation campaigns. It just so happens it also perfectly fits what researchers tell us the Russian propaganda troll farms operate. If some mod would look I guarantee they are all hiding behind VPNs to hide that their location is inside Russia.

They might have made a mistake once or twice and forgot to activate their VPNs before logging in though. That is how the Russian troll farms originally got exposed. They even know the building it was operating out of near St. Petersburg.

 

As stated: They may be able to tool up over couple decades, MAYBE.
In the short term? Pretty soon they're going to be using sticks and stones.

 

Of course. They call for a cheap but effective solution. Actually, I'm surprised we don't already have anti-drone drones of some sort to intercept them.

At any rate, begun the drone wars have.

 

Did you notice when Russia goes on a missile campaign, they send out a bunch the first day then it goes down to half the next and down to a couple after a few days. It is like they don't want to waste the remaining stockpile they have left as if it is limited.

 

Are they not traveling like only 100mph. If so, any aircraft could intercept and destroy them.

 

The truth is that narrative is a failed one.
The fact we left Afghanistan, destroys his narrative. Further more, if Mexico is bombing Mexico, no we won't invade, if they shell Cali, or Texas, yep that's an invasion. Don't matter how many English speaking people there are in Mexico, they have a right to their own land.

The fact of the matter is we are just better allies then China or Russia, even if they somehow installed a puppet, the puppet would still take our side. North Korea has a spy problem as well...When their spies leave to spy, they like what they see and don't come back.

We can only blame ourselves if we make it attractive for Mexico to side with China or Russia. That's what Putin fails to understand. Money talks BS walks, it's one of the reasons we pay foreign aid. Yes if we invade Mexico, it would be irresponsible for the world to let it happen, its a sovereign nation.

Putin simply couldn't afford what he wanted and had the Wagner group cause aggression in that territory, thus fabricating that evidance. It was never dismissed, we knew Putin owned the Wagner group that caused that. Ukraine wanted them out, as was their right.

We know what the truth is, and it's that if we ignore what's going on, it won't deincentivise Putins land grab, which will only make it tougher to aid our allies in the future.

Putin caused NATOS expansion with his aggression. He manufactured his own fears trying to prevent it. He only has himself to blame. Obviously he planned for it, since he's soooo smart according to Trump.

 

The main problems seem to be that they're hard for radar to detect and they're sent in swarms.

 

When the writer of the article talked about Mexico, he was creating a hypothetical situation that would show what things looked like from the Russian perspective so that Americans could better understand it. Your comment is a little vague.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/some-us-dont-think-russian-invasion-aggression-heres-why/5795980
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Imagine if the Mexican army started bombarding American ex-pats living in Mexico with heavy artillery-rounds killing thousands and leaving thousands more wounded. What do you think Joe Biden would do?

Would he brush it off like a big nothing-burger and move on or would he threaten the Mexican government with a military invasion that would obliterate the Mexican Army, level their biggest cities, and send the government running for cover?

Which of these two options do you think Biden would choose?

There’s no doubt what Biden would do nor is there any question what the 45 presidents who preceded him would do. No US leader would ever stand by and do nothing while thousands of Americans were savagely slaughtered by a foreign government. That just wouldn’t happen. They’d all respond quickly and forcefully.

But if that’s true, then why isn’t the same standard applied to Russia? Isn’t the situation in Ukraine nearly identical?

It is nearly identical, only the situation in Ukraine is worse, much worse. And if we stretch our analogy a bit, you’ll see why:
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It's an analogy.

You also seem a little misinformed about the relationship between the US and Mexico. Here's some stuff for you to check out.

http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/2008/05/1913-1914-destroying-democracy-in.html

Smedley Butler on Interventionism
https://man.fas.org/smedley.htm
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I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
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I'll have to get back to you on the Wagner Group. I'm looking for something that seems objective.

 

Yep, and i demonstrated why even with his analogy that narrative fails. He had other options. Just as America would, but if Ukraine feels its better to side with America, Russia only has it self to blame for incentivizing that decision.

Freedom of information act is a wonderful thing isnt it. Where is Russia's version?

 

False analogies. Being jailed for crime is deeply, fundamentally different than being bashed to death for not singing the national anthem.
Being shot by a cop during the process of a crime is not the same thing as killing a woman for the clothes she wears.