It’s Time to Call MAGA a National Security Threat

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  1. Arkanis

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    Former President Donald Trump and his MAGA movement’s full-throated embrace of violent extremism and hateful conspiracy theories has given President Joe Biden and Democrats a perfect opening to officially declare MAGA and its allies as an active terror threat.

    Ideally, President Biden would have made this announcement at the United We Stand Summit held at the White House, attended by diverse community leaders from across the nation to discuss best strategies and practices to counter hate-fueled violence affecting our democracy and public safety. But the opportunity remains.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-time-to-call-maga-a-national-security-threat

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    This article was written before the attempted murder of Paul Pelosi.

    Since Trump entered politics, threats against elected officials, the FBI and poll workers have increased by 960%.

    40% of Republicans still believe, despite the complete lack of evidence, that Trump won the election in 2020.

    Have we passed the point where national security is at risk?
     
  2. Lil Mike

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    Heh, don't worry, we'll get there. I'm sure they are puzzling over some final solution to this whole Kulak, err I mean MAGA problem right now.
     
  3. Independent4ever

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    Both parties are causing these issues, but as long as all everyone does is blame the other side while sticking their head in the sand and rationalizing their crap, it will just continue

    We are in a cold Civil War and it is just going to get worse with all of the idiots in both parties
     
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    We passed that point in 2016 when Democrats, the FBI, and the DOJ decided to use whatever means necessary to destroy an elected President of the United States. Whatever means necessary, legal or illegal, the ends justify the means
     
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    That's a ridiculously broad brush. MAGA means too many different things to different people. And you can't declare 40% of the population "national security threat."
     
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    ll, you shouldn't, but that's Never stopped the Left before.
     
  7. Patricio Da Silva

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    You got it so wrong, I don't know where to begin. The ONLY basis of your sentiment is that it is your guy who is being investigated, and you don't like it, while being totally oblivious to the following greater truth.

    If a President has extensive foreign businesses deals, and dealings with Russia, there is the clear possibility that he could be compromised, and given that Trump was tight lipped about those dealings, won't provide his tax returns though every president since Nixon has, even denying any relationship with Russia when we had a signed letter of intent to build a tower in Russia, giving Putin the penthouse if Trump could get permission to build, including his history of having one of his pageants held there, it would been derelict of the FBI not to have investigated it.

    Not to mention that Comey and McCabe were Republicans, not to mention the person, Rosenstein, a Republican, was appointed by Trump, was the guy who initiated the Special Counsel, Mueller, also a Republican.

    Like any good Republican would do, let alone any Democrat, was to make damn sure the presidency of the United States wasn't compromised by Russia, when there was sufficient predication to suspect it was possible, hence the investigation. You can't know it's true or false without an investigation, and an investigation, given these facts, was inevitable and warranted, so said the IG. And gee, look at all the criminals that surfaced who surrounded the President, while Mueller looked. None of that seems to bother you at all.
     
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    They, the MAGA voter, are actually falling for the divide and conquer strat of the 1%. Fuedal System 2.0 on the menu.
     
  9. Steve N

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    I'm not going to read the article, instead I'm going to respond to the OP.

    1. For 5 years we had to listen to how an election was stolen, five years. We had investigations, congressional hearings, Facebook ads, hacked voting machines, votes swapped, etc, and to this day the ONLY reason why people still call Trump a Russian asset and Putin's puppet is because of the 2016 election they claim was stolen.

    Is that a national security threat?

    2. How come we never hear about all these threats and attacks by MAGA? If anyone has been paying attention, much like how someone who got killed in a car accident was found to have died from the China Virus, it's the same with all these alleged threats by MAGA, any threat to anyone is going to be blamed on them. Also, the FBI can't seem to find any of these national security threats and what they're doing it taking one incident and categorizing it numerous different ways to make it look like many incidents instead of just one.

    Is that a national security threat?

    3. Thanks to the 2016 claims of a stolen election, plus a good deal of hate, how many actors wanted to see Trump assassinated, the White House blown up, put on plays in Central Park were Trump's likeness was assassinated, or just wished he was dead?

    Is that a national security threat?

    4. Since 2016 and starting with Clinton, there has been an anti cop effort of huge proportions. How many cops have been murdered by left wing/blm types in ambushes? While paying hundreds of thousands for their own protection, left wing politicians and activists still call for defunding or diminishing existing police departments and even people on this board call cops murderers? Does anyone remember posters on this board saying cops go to the police academy to learn how to legally shoot black people?

    Is that a national security threat?

    5. China owns the Biden and people in his admin. Biden literally hired a guy who lobbied for China, Swallwell had an affair with a chinese spy, Fienstien had a chinese spy for a driver, china is buying property near our military bases and has infested our educational and media systems.

    Is that a national security threat?

    What the left is doing is what they always do, they're accusing others of what they are doing themselves. If the MAGA threat was anywhere close to being what they say it is, we'd be seeing daily MSM reports of all the arrests they're making, but there aren't any.

    Finally, the people who say the folks who want to put America first are now national security threats. In the past they were just racists, but now they're national security threats.

    Anyway, I hope this story, this thread and my post distracts everyone from the miserable job Biden is doing running the country, after all, wasn't that the intent? Worst president ever and Obama thanks him for that.
     
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  10. Steve N

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    I'm going to ask you a serious question. If you respond with snark or sarcasm then I know you're not a serious poster and on ignore you will go.

    For 5 years it was drummed into the heads of Americans than an election can be hacked, influenced or stolen. It was made clear the left completely believed that. With that said, if you guys can believe an election was stolen, and you guys are the highly educated and intellectual elite, then why shouldn't anyone else believe the election was stolen when you guys moved mountains to make us think it was not just possible but probable? Also, if 40% still think an election was stolen, then what does that tell you?
     
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    That if a charismatic and demagogic politician repeats a lie over and over again, he will eventually make it a truth in the minds of many of his supporters.

    Hitler succeeded in making the Germans believe that the Jews were responsible for their misfortunes.

    Putin succeeded in making the Russians believe that Ukraine was run by neo-Nazis.

    Trump managed to make the MAGA believe that he had won the election.... without any evidence and losing 59 times in court.
     
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    May I add... the FACT the young Chinese assistant who sent Hunter opposition research to help Joe Biden’s 2020 election bid. Is that a national security threat?
    May I add.... the FACT his cute little Chinese babe was sending natural gas information and maps from China to her and Joe Biden's son Hunter.. Is that a national security threat?

    Rep. James Comer has obtained new documents that show Hunter & Joe Biden were working to sell American natural gas & drilling assets to the Chinese.

    https://rumble.com/v1q02iq-hunter-b...-joe-to-run-is-new-go.html?mref=2oodx&mrefc=2
    https://rumble.com/v1l5889-rep.-jam...ocuments-that-show-hunter-and-joe-biden-.html
     
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    I wouldn't call ALL MEGA supporters a national security threat, but the leaders and the provocateurs that instigate the violence. The rest are just followers who believe in anything.
     
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    Is this a national security threat? National security nightmare of Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop containing phone numbers for the Clintons, Secret Service officers and most of the Obama cabinet plus his sex and drug addictions - all secured by the password Hunter02.... which was sent from the VP Joe Biden's office ovp.eop.gov
     
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    Nope.
     
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    And Clinton, democrat politicians and the media kept saying Trump stole an election and many on the left believed it. I want my side to win, so do you and we believe what's in our own interests. The thing is, Trump never blamed his election against Biden on a foreign country and made them the enemy, Clinton and the left did and still do.

    By the way, Biden said half the country is a threat to democracy and clinton said half is deplorable. This is the poltical world we live in and it should stop.
     
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    Whataboutism doesn't work with me.

    What Trump has done has no equivalent in US history.

    And since 2020, no election deniers in this forum have provided any evidence that Trump lost due to fraud.

    Including you.
     
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    Trump and Clinton both did the same thing, the left went all in on Clinton, and I mean all in. Have you seen Kari Lake's comment to CNN? She gave a list of 150 democrat election deniers. 150!

    That people, people like me, will go to their graves believing a guy who didn't campaign much and when he did couldn't draw a crowd, who has a history of racism, who has videos of him sniffing little kids and groping women, whose chose one of the most unpopular candidates to be VP who is hated in her own state and who also called him a racist, to believe Biden got the most votes in history is beyond belief.

    And if whataboutism doesn't work with you, then I fully expect you to call out the people who who bring up Trump in every thread. You can bet a large amount of money that in 2025 I will be bringing up Biden every time a lib criticizes Trump or DeSantis.
     
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    So list Clintons lawsuits to overturn the election.
     
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    I don't care what Kari Lake says.

    She hasn't provided a shred of evidence of fraud against Trump either.

    Do you know what a proof is?

    When you understand that, maybe we can have a serious discussion about it.
     
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    Proof? It's a belief. I can't and never will believe Biden got the most votes in history based on the reasons I gave above. Some folks believe, without proof, other people are Russian assets and puppets. Other people believe our coastal cities are going to be under water in 12 years and still others believe our borders are secure. I respectfully disagree with those beliefs.

    You, on the other hand, are focused on 1 claim and disregarding 150 claims by your side which doesn't help the belief you're focused on.
     
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    That's because you refuse to believe that that many people DIDN'T WANT TRUMP TO BE POTUS.
     
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    And what exactly happens after MAGAers are declared a threat to national security? Be specific ...or this is just more virtue signalling.
     
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    It all becomes academic when a nuke in the hold of a fishing boat in New York Harbor goes off, vaporizing New York City and no one can say if it was Russia, China, Iran, Isis, or some other entity that did it. The pipeline in the Baltic was just a dry run.
     
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    Sure anyone who doesn't agree with the Left is an Enemy of Left. Only you're two months after Biden called us fascists in his Red Speech, which shocked the nation so badly that Dems lost all momentum and are now heading for massive rebuke from the Electorate that I don't think that they will be able to cheat their way out of.

    Maybe if you just shout the losing message louder?

    NY Times opinion: It's a shame liberal comedy is not as popular as it once was. They aren't funny, like way too much of the Left, they are just hateful.

    Looks like the Electorate is going to give the GOP a shot, not than anyone is thrilled with them, but, the Dems seem to want to do everything but improve crime, inflation and the schools, the crap they are doing with schools is really a problem. Did you know that parents are breaking R+35? Have you ever seen them break that hard for the GOP?

    What do you figure that will do the Dem vote in the suburbs?
     
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