Germany's armed forces must become the best-equipped military force in Europe, says Scholz | DW News

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  1. Dayton3

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    Not the worst thing
     
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    I'd settle for adequately militarized.
     
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    I hope / wish you are kidding.

    Not just Hitler but, the Kaiser too.
     
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    German, adequate ?


     
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    Thank you for that.
     
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    Russia becomes militarily and economically insignificant. It's not the Soviet superpower anymore. Ruzzia's a failed state, slowly but constantly failing and destroying itself. With Pooteen's war against Ukraine, they sealed their final downfall.

    A better world without ruZZia is coming. Be patient and enjoy world history. :)
     
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    If you want to see people treated like cattle just look at some of the Russian conscripts. Yes, many people suffocated to death in freight carriages, taking them to the Nazi concentration camps. I had a friend who was facially scarred with a whip for answering a German commandant back - but she lived to tell the tale.
     
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    Yes, I'm aware that today's younger Russians have absolutely no stomach for going off and fighting in Ukraine. As of last week about 800,000 Russians and their families had fled Russia just to avoid having to fight in an especially brutal conflict.
    Unfortunately, Putin shows no interest in scaling back his invasion of Ukraine and none of his advisors seem interested in telling him that the "liberation" is a bad idea that is going poorly.

    A friend of mine is a doctor and working in Kiev where she says that the Russians are targeting civilian infrastructure in order to demoralize the Ukrainians. According to her, it's just making them more resentful and angry at the unfortunate Russian POWs.

    Re:
    It was rare for actual Germans to have contact with the inmates. Most of the day-to-day management of the inmates was done by brutal Communist Kapos many of whom were Jewish.

    It is a heavily repressed fact in holocaustian lore that the German guards and German SS were strictly punished for abusing inmates(1).
    Karl Koch who was commandant of Buchenwald was hung by "Blutrichter" SS Judge Konrad Morgen for robbing and abusing inmates.




    (1) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates"
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html

    EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light.

    The fact that the SS, under orders from Heinrich Himmler, attempted to operate the concentration camps (KZ) in a humane manner, in part by prosecuting, jailing and even executing brutal Nazi concentration camp personnel, has been nearly completely suppressed in much of the discussion of the history of World War Two.

    One of the key officers who was instrumental in Himmler's campaign to attempt to ensure the human rights of KZ inmates, was the heroic and incorruptible SS Judge Konrad Morgen."CONTINUED
     
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    The SS punished theft and sexual abuse of inmates but not the brutality of the guards. Konrad Morgan was a strict Nazi, he prosecuted corrupt SS members.
     
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    I'm still concerned that Russia has a nuclear stockpile that is larger than that of the US but I agree that today's Russia is not the Soviet superpower anymore and its military's morale is very poor. It also concerns me that Putin and the rest of Russia's leadership were born after WW 2 and are less aware of horrific and long term consequences of a global war.
    Khrushchev, on the other hand, was at Stalingrad and, at least in my opinion, was more familiar with war's horrors.

    I bear no malice toward the Russian people and have known a few who survived WW 2 so I do not wish for Russia's destruction. I only hope that they can find some way to establish a sane and stable leadership with more freedom for he Russian people.

    Thanks,
     
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    The former camp inmates / holocaust survivors I've known claim that they had very little contact with the German guards.
    Most of their contact and abuses were from the Communist Kapos etc.
     
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    No, it's not repressed. There's this Youtube on female camp commandants who were hung by the allies. One or two of the women were dismissed for bad behavior, unfortunately this wasn't mistreatment of prisoners (Russians suffered the worst) but mistreatment of German funds.
     
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    ~ The same can be said about China, Cuba and North Korea. Very unlikely these countries will change any time soon ...
     
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    I would argue that if its not taught then its repressed.
    Just because you can find it does not mean its not repressed.
    By research you can spend months digging and 'find' that there was no Jewish holocaust (where 'Jews' are the 'victims') and not only is it not taught and repressed, the opposite is taught.
     
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    Wasn't Gorbachev the first major Soviet leader who had not served in World War Two?
     
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    A former friend of ours told us of his mother. She managed to get off one of the rail carriages carrying Jews to a camp in Poland. She was just a girl. Partisans found her. She never saw her family again who were all on the same train. I grew up hearing lots of these stories from Jewish friends in Australia. Some people made the holocaust very real for me.
     
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    I tried to give informed responses when I can so after a brief look around, I found that Mikhail Gorbachev was born in March of 1931 and had minimal involvement in WW 2.

    His father, however, joined the Red Army, was wounded in the Battle or Kursk and was thought to have been killed until he turned up one day very much alive.

    It's only my opinion that WW 2 would have had little impact on Gorbachev even though it was not unusual for teenagers to be involved in the war effort.

    Gorbachev was more involved in and supportive of Khrushchev's anti-Stalinist movement than he was in WW 2.

    Khrushchev, however, was present during the Battle of Stalingrad but acted more as an intermediary between Stalin and his Generals during the war.

    I hope that helps.
     
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    The problem of course is thats all they are is 'stories'.
    6 Million jews are always getting holocausted by someone somewhere!

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    ~ Did the New York Times report on the Holocaust ..?
     
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    Nope not that I am aware of, at least not until eli the weasel wrote his fiction novels.
    For the NYT, it was always just the 6 million dying jews fund raiser drives.
    The germans were holocausted by the jews via their minions.

    [​IMG]

    IIRC there is no record of him ever being in any camp!

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    The one above stopped flipping pics see it: HERE

    96% of all residential buildings in dresden were destroyed, while the 'alleged' target, the railroad that went through town was virtually untouched!
    Probably just minor bomb sight malfunctions! :roll:
     
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    Six million Jews vanished during WW2, mostly as civilian casualties. That figure is large only in that there weren't that many Jews in Europe.
    Russians lost many more. They lost an equivalent number of POW's to the Germans. And Mao could have killed eighty million Chinese. But then, there's plenty of Russians and Chinese. Six million out of sixteen million is a lot to an ethnic group - this traumatized this group more than Russians or Chinese were traumatized.
     
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    From high altitude, and winds, particularly fire storm winds, your accuracy is fairly bleak. Getting a bomb within a mile of a target is good aiming.
     
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    The evidence has proven that is not true, why do you persist in posting and promoting well established propaganda (lies) as fact?
    again not true!

    Why are you trying to cover up the facts?

    The allies used ILLEGAL incendiary bombs and strategically targeted german civilians and residential areas FFS!



    Terror Bombing of German Cities in World War II

    The assault on Hamburg was only one chapter in the RAF’s area
    bombing offensive against Germany. As a method of air warfare, ‘area
    bombing’ focused not on specific military or industrial targets but
    rather on German cities themselves.
    The targeting instructions given to
    British aircrew indeed typically designated the center of such cities as
    the prime ‘aiming point.’




    The military press censor at SHAEF made a mistake and allowed the Cowan cable to go out starting with "Allied air bosses have made the long awaited decision to adopt deliberate terror bombing of great German population centers as a ruthless expedient to hasten Hitler's doom." There were follow-up newspaper editorials on the issue and a longtime opponent of strategic bombing, Richard Stokes MP, asked questions in the House of Commons on 6 March.[12]

    The controversy stirred up by the Cowan news report reached the highest levels of the British Government when on 28 March 1945 the Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, sent a memo by telegram to General Ismay for the British Chiefs of Staff and the Chief of the Air Staff in which he started with the sentence "It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed...."[13][14] Under pressure from the Chiefs of Staff and in response to the views expressed by Chief of the Air Staff Sir Charles Portal, and the head of Bomber Command, Arthur "Bomber" Harris, among others, Churchill withdrew his memo and issued a new one.[14] This was completed on 1 April 1945 and started instead with the usual euphemism used when referring to strategic bombing: "It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of the so called 'area-bombing' of German cities should be reviewed from the point of view of our own interests....".[15]

    Strategic bombing, Area bombing and TERROR bombing are all the same thing, targeting civilians!

    Not hitler, the allies committed these crimes!
     
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    Quote, 'Bombing accuracy was terrible. The average circular error in 1943 was 1,200 feet, meaning that only 16 percent of the bombs fell within 1,000 feet of the aiming point.'
    Daylight Precision Bombing | Air & Space Forces Magazine (airandspaceforces.com)

    And yes, six million Jews died at the hands of the Germans.
     
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