Lottery accused of 'systemic racism' after massive Powerball payout

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It goes back exactly as I described. It doesn’t add anything,except the spendable cash. Now, they can go in the red the same as they were already planning, but now they can add cash to the budget.
     
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    I have never gambled at a gambling establishment. But the only true form of legalized gambling is the stock market and that is through my IRA in a life cycle fund that is very conservative.
     
  3. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    It goes far far deeper than that. Several months ago I read an article that was written as an opinion piece from a teacher in California. (sorry, I can't find the link) In it she explained how "whiteness" took over mathematics and overrode other forms of math that were developed by other races and cultures.

    Other articles explain how teachers "expect" whites and asians to perform better in math than blacks and latinos so put more time into those students.

    Another opinion article said that she (she was explaining her life) excelled at math in lower grades and was always excited to bring her mom to class so she could show her how well she did. Then she got into high school and started getting D's. She said that there was only one other student of color in the class and whenever that student was not around she did worse and visa versa. And that she felt "uncomfortable" talking to her teacher about the problems she was having with math. She felt "isolated".

    And I've seen articles advocating for the banning of students showing their work because to do so was a sign of whiteness and racist.

    You can believe me or not if you wish. Don't care either way. I'm sure you can do a google search and see many of the types of articles I'm talking about.

    Plain fact of the matter is that there is a movement out there that will try and get rid of, or change, anything that they perceive as "whiteness". And I do mean anything.
     
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    Well, it's perfectly clear that lotteries are particularly targeted at poorer people and that black Americans have long been disproportionately poorer than white Americans.

    I personally don't agree with the simplistic "institutional racism" conclusion taken from than but that works both ways. It's the same issue as condemning black Americans for disproportionately higher crime rates without recognising or accept the influence of poverty on crime and the fact black Americans are disproportionately poorer. Many of the reasons black Americans have always been and still are disproportionately poor certainly link back to outright racial discrimination that America has never really come to terms with, but it's a complex picture that can't be addressed with simple labels and concepts (be they nominally positive or negative).
     
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    I had a dog that always barked at strangers...but she would go ballistic when confronted by something she's never seen.....and one day a black sales person came to my door and she rammed the screen door to get at him.....took us both by surprise and I was embarrassed.....
     
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    This fails to explain successful black people. So what's the difference between a successful black person and those who choose not to be?
     
  7. Pycckia

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    Nope. Subcutaneous long lasting contraceptives as a condition for welfare.
     
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    Poor impulse control. Blacks typically don't defer gratification and buy lottery tickets instead of banking their money.
     
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    Are you white?
     
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    They are bilking.

    I said: "They are bilking money out of people who are willing to give it up"
     
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    Success isn't all effort. A lot of it is luck. That said, if you don't try you can't succeed.
     
  13. Jolly Penguin

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    Dark skinned Asian. Mostly Filipino with some Vietnamese mixed in. So... Kind of? Maybe white-adjacent? Ever noticed how Asian people are treated as white sometimes and other times not?
     
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    It does if you understand the meaning of the word "disproportionate". :cool: The range of reasons for success of black individuals are exactly the same as the range of reasons for success of white individuals - my key point here is that skin colour isn't directly relevant at all.

    The thing is that many of those reasons and factors for success aren't under the individuals control but are a consequence of incidental circumstances of life. Due to historical racial and social divisions in American society, a greater proportion of black people are born in to circumstances where those factors for success are much less accessible. That doesn't mean any individual in those circumstances can't succeed (though it will be more difficult and thus less common), and it doesn't mean those black people will be any less (or more) able to succeed than white people in the same circumstances but it does mean that, on average, a smaller proportion of black people overall are likely to achieve great success.
     
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    You make too much sense. You are hereby barred from playing lotto.
     
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    The poor put the most money into lotteries. The information is available to them how futile their waste is. The little hope it gives them would not be worth it to a rational thinker. Thus, it could be said that they are exploited by the system. It must also be recognized that their engagement is entirely voluntary. Are they exploiting themselves? At what point do we admit that a significant percentage of the population needs to be protected from another percentage? That would mean accepting that obvious human differences mean "equality" is an aspiration rather than a fact.
     
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    Agree. The thing people need to understand the most is that disproportionate =/= racism. Its like the debunked myth of the wage gap between men and women. Yes, there is a wage gap, but its based on many factors such as the types of jobs women take vs men. The hours worked. Men's tendency to be more aggressive in demanding raises while women don't....and so many other reasons.
     
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    What they want to say is that the Blacks disproportionately participate in the lottery so it affects them more.

    This would imply that a higher percentage of them are stupid.
     
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    But not black?
     
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    You have it backwards. It's behaviours like gambling which make and/or keep people poor. Gambling is 'targeted' at those known to be indulgent. It has nothing to do with their colour. In some places, this targeting is applied to the Chinese. In others it's white people. It's whoever is identified as likely to indulge temptation.

    Again, you have it backwards. Crime makes and/or keeps people poor. Poverty does not cause crime .. crime causes poverty.

    When you understand that crime and gambling are behavioural features of a certain kind of character, you'll understand better how it works. Poverty is a result of this behaviour.
     
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    They can't tell you. If they acknowledged this stuff, they would have to respect the agency of black people.
     
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    If people are GIVING them money, there's no bilking going on.
     
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    A dog cannot be racist but they can remember those who harm them.
    Or maybe she read the crime statistics?
     
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    I'd rather piss my money away on beer. At least I get something out of that deal!
     
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    Anything that prompts a “progressive” to disagree is “racist.” That’s their standard response. They are taught that in high school and college. It shows that they are intelligent and compassionate.

    As for gambling, I have a pretty big bet going on the stock market. I would love to have more in fixed income assets, but the low interest rates preclude that. I also gamble with some gold. In reality everything is a gamble, but some gambles are dumber than others.
     
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