Musk restores Donald Trump’s Twitter account after Online Poll

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  1. vman12

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    Fertilization takes about 24 hours. That's why they don't call it the day after the day after pill.

    Again, if someone is that against birth control, they're also against sex outside of marriage, as well as abortion, so the point is moot.
     
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    There is no free speech in the private sector. The first amendment applies only to government. I feel like I'm talking into a wind.
     
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    You don't get it. Congress cannot make law to allow/prohibit satan worship in Christian newspaper, but the newspaper can tell the satanists to go pound sand. The newspaper is not bound by 1st amendment. Why are so many people making this error in their thinking?
     
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    It’s about time the advertising industry finally woke up from that nightmare of the virtue signaling!
     
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    A simple failure to understand the Constitution.
     
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    While it is true that the First Amendment generally applies to government actors (and private sector actors when they're doing so due to the government's coercion, see Bantam Books, Inc. v. Sullivan), there is a principle of "free speech" above and beyond the narrow restriction on government (and .gov-coerced) actions contained in the First Amendment. What I'm describing may not be a legally-binding rule, but more of a social norm and societal good: a general respect for allowing others to speak is certainly one of our country's foundational concepts, one which we live up to imperfectly, but ought to be striving towards, rather than abandoning as the modern Left would have us do. So yes, there is (or at least ought to be) "free speech" in the private sector, above and beyond the guarantees against government oppression of speech in the First Amendment. Twitter itself used to understand this idea well, when it described itself as belonging to the "free speech wing of the free speech party". They didn't mean they were actual government actors, but that they were aspiring to respect that broader principle of free speech in the best traditions of America.
     
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  7. Nemesis

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    You just expressed two ideas that are inconsistent with one another.

    WTH do you actually mean?
     
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    Bottom Line:
    Twitter is NOT required to give anyone a platform...
    And, that decision by Twitter (to Ban someone) has NOTHING to do with "Free Speech" or the 1st Amendment...
    ^Anybody who doesn't grasp that FACT has an Egregious Misunderstanding of the Constitution...
     
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    No, they're not "inconsistent". What I'm describing is one of our social mores. The concept of "free speech" finds manifestations all over society. In our government, it's the First Amendment, in a debate between two people it might find manifestation in them simply allowing the other a turn to speak rather than shouting over the top of them. In the private sector, companies like Twitter, at least in its early days, strived to hew closely to this principle of "free speech". Later on, they largely abandoned it, and now with Musk they are returning again to it.

    What about that concept are you struggling to grasp?
     
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  10. CharisRose

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    Americans have no problem with electric vehicle manufacturers or the Americans who like, prefer & can afford their electric vehicles.
    Americans have no problem with the non-electric vehicle manufacturers or the Americans who like, prefer & can afford their non-electric vehicles.

    All Americans who are employed in any type of vehicle manufacturing employment would prefer to continue being employed.
    Americans like, want & appreciate both types of vehicle manufacturers which enables them to purchase the vehicle they prefer.:twocents:
     
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    I'm not struggling to grasp a concept; you're struggling to describe it.
     
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    Interesting question. The combination of the Religion and Speech. Perhaps this legal explanation can help answer that question.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment

    Freedom of Religion
    Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The
    Establishment Clauseprohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the "separation of church and state." However, some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of "blue laws" is not prohibited. The Free Exercise Clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person's practice of their religion.

    Freedom of Speech / Freedom of the Press
    The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech may be exercised in a direct (words) or a symbolic (actions) way. Freedom of speech is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. Generally, a person cannot be held liable, either criminally or civilly for anything written or spoken about a person or topic, so long as it is truthful or based on an honest opinion and such statements.

    The problem I see with the question is based on the following information about worshipping Satan. Note: They have their own online newsfeed.

    https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/living/5-things-satanists

    Most satanists aren’t devil worshipers
    Surprisingly, most card-carrying satanists do not worship Satan or any other form of the devil – they are actually atheists. The Church of Satan, founded in the mid-1960s, explains it this way on its website: “Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person.”

    The Church of Satan puts the individual at the center of the universe, what high priest Peter Gilmore describes as going from an “a-theist” to an “I-theist.”

    The Satanic Temple, which formed in recent years to fight a perceived intrusion of Christian values on American politics, says, “we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions.”
    You won’t find a satanic church in your community
    The Church of Satan doesn’t have actual church buildings, because “that would be against our individualist approach to living,” its website says. For a short time, its founder Anton LaVey used his San Francisco home as the church’s headquarters, where he performed rituals. Now, the church is based in New York, and its headquarters is not open to visitors.

    Here is a link to The Satanist non-religion right to display in public spaces along with religious public spaces displays based on the legal explanation link. Which is somewhat confusing since they are say they are not a religion.
    https://www.rluipa-defense.com/2014...-displays-happy-holidays-from-rluipa-defense/
     
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    :Let's attempt to get back to the topic.

    Musk's restoration of hundreds, maybe even thousands of conservative Twitter accounts, and including the former POTUS is about leveling the playing field for "political speech" shared by Twitter members. Obviously, conservatives/populists/independents speech was censored unfairly by the leftist woke, aka speech cops employed by Twitter previously to Musk's buyout.
    This is not a "first amendment right" or a free speech right. It's simply a membership right that is being restored by a new owner that thinks all political speech should be aired in a public forum.
     
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    I mostly agree with the above. The new Twitter owner is trying to give the entire spectrum a political platform, far leftists, liberals and conservatives, and far rightists alike.
    Twitter before Musk, obviously failed to give those they strongly disagreed with the same political platform as those they agreed with, hence they heavily censored by doling out unfairly, many suspensions and bannings.
    All hail Musk for having the good senses to level the playing field!

    The man doesn't deserve the **** coming his way, but I realize it mostly is being championed by the semi-fascist/fascist woke who think censorship, their form of it, is a good thing for our country.
     
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    You are missing the point.

    You won’t be allowed to post bacon recipes on a vegan forum.
    You won’t be allowed to post dog training tips on a cruise forum.
    You won’t be allowed to post left wing rhetoric on the Hannity forum.

    Nobody, literally nobody, owes you a forum for your free speech.
     
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    Exactly. Free speech exists independent of the government....independent of the Constitution.

    The government doesn't give you your rights. It recognizes that you already have them.

    The purpose of the government is to protect rights from abuse by themselves and others, which is why they pass laws that have to comply with Constitutional guidelines.

    These ideas were codified in the Constitution so that the current National Socialists can't silence people.

    The "private company/free speech" argument used by leftists is just a red herring for them to be able to force their megalomaniacal ideas on everyone else, and silence those that disagree with them.

    We partially saw who they really are during Covid. They're the worst of humanity.
     
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    Where did @CharisRose say it does?
     
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    Because he didn’t answer my question, just some words about the constitution, and the fact that there is no such things as a satanist church. None of it was related to my question.

    If he agrees with me, he should have just said so.
     
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    You know you could take a few minutes to see if what you believe is true before you post it.

    https://www.churchofsatan.com/
     
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    I have no desire to learn about any religion. I used them as an example.
     
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    As others have said the amendment is a restriction on Congress. Additionally, churches are private. You don't have the right to do whatever you want in a church.
     
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    Looked like a lot of flapping lips with nothing actually being said to me.
     
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    I didn't see where you asked @CharisRose a question about your second bolded statement below.

    You asked her a different question, btw.
    You asked her this question:
    Curious Always said:
    Which words in the constitution guarantee you the right to worship Satan in a Christian newspaper?


    You made a statement after responding to her, and that's what I am responding to. (your statement below and my question is beneath)
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    Nobody, literally nobody, owes you a forum for your free speech.
    Where did @CharisRose say it does?
     
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    Spending two minutes to see if a claim you raised was accurate or not is not "learning about a religion".

    Yeah, and you used the example wrong.

    You presented, as fact, that such a church does not exist.

    Such a shining example of why there is no debate on the issues to be had anymore. People only know things they want to believe is true, present it as fact, and then resist saying things like "I was wrong".

    Say it. You were wrong.

    It puts you on the path to fixing the problems in people's heads.
     
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    No, I’m not.
    Freedom of Speech advocates. May not like what you say but will defend your right to say it.
    No freedom of speech advocates. Who don’t like what you say will not defend your right to say it. They will do their best to stifle your freedom of speech in favor of their Freedom of Speech.

    I have no problem with that since I would respect their forum and never insist to post bacon recipes. I would also respect other forums like that.

    I never stated any forum owes me Freedom of Speech. I try to find forums that tends to lean towards a Freedom of Speech concept.

    The old twitter was an advocate for only the freedom of speech it liked. The new twitter advocates it will be a place for Freedom of Speech.

    Freedom of Speech is good for America and Her People. No Freedom of Speech is bad for America and Her People. imho
     
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