"Groomer" vs LGBTQ+ Community

Note: I'm not using the word "groomer" and its affiliates as an insult. Until this thread i've never applied it to anyone except pedophiles. And I still apply it as such. I do not believe that it is the appropriate word to use in the case of teachers teaching about genders/sexuality. To me the appropriate word for that would be indoctrination. However, I am going to use the word "groomer" and its affiliates in order to facilitate what it is I'm talking about as lots of people are using it towards teachers and I would like to keep things in context as much as possible. Wherever possible I am going to be putting "groomer" and its affiliates in quotes to demonstrate this. So please bare this in mind.

2nd Note: This thread is not about discussing whether children are being "groomed" or not. It is not about the morality of it. Nor is it about the morality of anything related to LGBTQ+ or anything else associated with it. This thread is purely about the questions posed at the end of this post. If you want to talk about anything else, I ask that you please find a different thread about it or make your own thread about it.

Lately I've been hearing quite a few people from the LGBTQ+ community speaking up and out about the "grooming" of children. They do not agree with the agenda being promoted by the far left in this situation. I've even heard some transgender folks speak out against it as they too do not believe that children should be taking hormone blockers. Of course, those are in the extreme minority (as far as transgenders go). And the rest of the LGBTQ+ community that I have heard speak out about this also don't believe in the "grooming" of children.

Personally, I have always felt that this whole "there are hundreds/thousands/infinite number of genders" deal was eventually going to lead to a split among the LGBTQ+ community. Especially since biological women are getting shafted the most among this whole dispute. And before this whole "groomer" thing came along I was seeing some frayed edges due to it. Now I'm starting to see some tears.

So, the question is...will this "groomer" thing cause an unreconcilable rift in the LGBTQ+ community? If so, what effect do you think it will have on society?

 

I think it's odd that right-wingers can routinely call liberals groomers and pedophiles on this forum and get away with it but if anyone calls trump supporters a cult, they get their posts removed. What's up with that?

 

1: I think your post has nothing to do with the thread.
2: I called no one a groomer.
3: Not a right winger.
4: Make your own thread.
5: Lots of posts around here calling trump supporters cultists and the like. IE: you're telling a falsehood. Or you don't know the difference between calling trump supporters cultists, and calling someone in particular on the forum a cultist.

 

@Kal'Stang

the transgender/transvestite/ drag queens (all different things) do not appear to mix well with the more numerous gays and bisexuals.

lesbians are very common in america and are accepted in most of society. many are married to men who either don't know or don't care.

there are, of course, numerous and variable exceptions.

this business of "grooming" children is not something that happens often in school. it is much more common in families and at church. when i hear about teacher / student sex it is usually a young female teacher and a senior male student.

 

Yes it sure will.
Its making people associate LGBTQ+ community as PEDOs. Oh wait, they even have a new word for it now to make it more INCLUSIVE "M A P S" (Minor Attracted Persons).

I personally don't think sexual preference has anything to do with pedophilia but when one of these communities thinks its OK to give lap dances to little kids while wearing lingerie, its gonna be associated with them more than straight people (Also, drag queens CAN be straight, just getting that out there before they start crying over it)

The group GAYS AGAINST GROOMERS spokesperson has also said its putting their community in a very dangerous light.

Also, why can't these drag queen shows be more age appropriate? You know, like maybe dress like a disney princess instead of a hooker. These fools want to spin any complaints about it as ANTI-GAY instead of ANTI-GROOMER but the reality is that many gay people are just as disgusted by this child grooming nonsense.

 

As I've said many times on this board my sister and some of her friends are gay and they want nothing to do with anything and everything that comes after LBG. To them it's a bunch of head cases and loony people who are into trends who belong to that group and who are glomming onto the LGBs because otherwise they'd have no legitimacy, no numbers to hide in, and would be considered a nutty fringe group that no one wants to associate with. If any group puts LGB in front of their name, then criticizing them becomes hate speech, and there lies the protection those nut jobs seek.

 

Look up the definitions of groomer, pedophile and cult, then see who the definitions apply. In two cases the definitions do fit, in one case it doesn't.

 

we don't call them that. We post videos showing PROOF of that. Many of them have earned the title without ANY help from the right.

 

No

 

The MSM is reluctant to show all the examples of "groomers" and "perverts" teaching kids in school. Any teacher who discusses sex with a first grader is a "pervert" getting their jollies. Fox News will show these people for what they are doing. Same with the southern border -- the MSM is reluctant to show all the hordes sneaking into the USA nor will they interview the border agents, but Fox News will.
There are gays in our community who are against such "grooming".

 

You call it grooming, I call it trendy. I believe the new in thing is to be apart of the LGBTQ community. I think it’s a trend that many youth will regret in the long run. I believe you will see kids make poor choices as all kids do only this time in a way that is irreversible. This trend is and will continue to be supported by the left in the namesake of wokism

 

The grooming stuff needs to stop in terms of coming from the LGBTQ community. Obviously what now appears to be the old guard aka the LGB portion of that community really has nothing and wants nothing to do with these concerns.

Grooming of kids is well understood at this stage. If you work with children or undergo training to recognize it the strongest factors are putting yourself in roles that are not part of your job, putting yourself into situations where you will be alone with a child, seeking to isolate a child, boundary breaching, sharing inappropriate information and seeking gain trust and ask those kids to keep secrets from their parents.

For some reason we have large segments of TQ declaring that in the name of tolerance and representation we all need to forgo all the concerns about any of those practices named above and how they are strongly correlated with grooming. If you refuse to forgo the concerns, you are a transphobe and so on.

As a society we need to develop an appropriate response to any and all groups seeking to weaponize empathy to remove agency from people. They don't have the right to get between children and parents, or even between people, their speech, their lives and their own concerns in the name of their cause.

People are waking up to the fact that the title is valid and should stick. A groomer is in fact a groomer when you want to demand kids receive inappropriate instruction and very young ages. The instruction can easily take place later but there are certain things they want to normalize and since much of this involves sexual and gender preferences they demand to discuss those at ages where such discussion is not appropriate. Their concerns about potential intolerance cannot outweigh the reality that the subject is not appropriate.

 

I do not know a single LGTQ+ person who supports sexualizing K-3 years olds.

 

I thought it was odd that we had a leftwing driven propaganda blitz claiming that the Florida bill that stopped sex ed for K-3rd graders was habitually lied about as the "Don't Say Gay" bill, when it said no such thing, and, I don't remember you saying squat about the blizzard of falsehoods aimed at parents and the GOP.

Parents don't support grooming little children in school, and their stance should be uncontroversial, yet, the National School Board Association urged Dirtbag Garland to use anti-terrorism powers against them, and the Dirtbags at the FBI/DOJ helped them draft the request letter and then promptly set up snitch lines on parents.

And now you're are concerned about escalating rhetoric?
You don't want none, don't start none.

 

Lol…Desantis’s culture war demagoguery is being knocked down piece by piece.
His grubby trump wannabe schtick doesn’t go over well with people outside the maga bubble.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/08/ron-desantis-stop-woke-law-unconstitutional

 

we can agree on this. pedophiles have their own "community,"

 

There is no such thing as a singular "LGBTQ+ community", just as there is no such thing as a singular heterosexual community. There are obviously plenty of examples where groups of LGBT individuals will gather together for various reasons or purposes that are common to them, though even then those groups often won't be exclusively LGBT. That is true of pretty much any shared characteristic you care to think of though.

Somewhat ironically, these negative attacks and accusations involve lumping a whole load of people in to singular groups so they can all be condemned as one. That is essentially the core of discrimination in general. One of the (often intentional) consequences of that is to create or increase division within those wide groups as individuals and sub-groups try to work out how best to defend and protect themselves. That is why there are some LGB groups who actively seek to distance themselves from the transgender aspect for example.

I don't think this whole "groomer" thing is especially significant and won't cause any greater division or rift than any of the countless other forms of attack and abuse the LGBT community has faced, but it certainly doesn't help (which, as I mentioned, if typically part of the point). Given the source of a lot of these attacks though, a relevant comparison would be the issues of child abuse in religious organisations and how much the general condemnation of churches or Christians impacted that "community".

 

maybe some Trump supporters don't believe in free speech and has thinner skin?

that said, the mods just go by what is reported, we just don't bother as we want people to see who says these kinda things

 

It very much depends on your point of view

 

Is their definition of sexualization the same as the rest of the population?

Kids at that age do not need to "play" with pronouns. They don't need to be taught that sex or gender is a "spectrum". They don't need to be taught that some people are born in the wrong body and the parts of that body that make it "wrong" within that reasoning.

All of those items are sexualizing k-3 year olds.

 

I have quite the resume of infractions and warnings that says that you are wrong.

Now so as not to further help you derail the thread I will try to get you to focus on the topic....

Yes I do think this will cause a rift in the gender spectrum community.... Or whatever the new word is I can't keep up with all the letters, it seems they keep adding new ones every time you turn around.

I do not believe that all of the alternative lifestyle people agree with the sexualizing of children. And the fact that those that do tend to hide in their ranks is bound to cause some friction.

 

agree, some on the left have thin skin too, but I agree, let's stay on topic

yes, like some in the church hiding pedophiles hurt the church image, I agree, I would no more blame all Christians than I would all lgbtq

 

Maybe I should have started a thread about how "groomer" isn't the right word to use instead of this one. Its simply amazing how many either didn't read my first two notes...or simply ignored them.

To those that did and actually addressed my questions. I Thank You.

 

I am amazed at the blinding hypocrisy of all the rightwing attacks on their gender bender bogeymen since they know that the biggest social group that sexualizes children are heterosexuals.
But I'm not surprised at the current intolerant hysteria since we've heard it all before, directed at every emerging minority that came down the pike.

 

The LGB's were happy to accept the help of the T's when they needed it back in the 70s and 80s, but now that they feel that the T's are holding them back, they want to dump them.