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Asking ME where natural rights/human rights DO come from is a strawman argument. My claim, supported by EVIDENCE is that they DO NOT originate with nor are they created by government. That is my claim.

You are more than welcome to critique the claim of Jefferson and whom ever wrote your constitution and the UN. Go ahead. But their claims are not mine. My ONLY claim is that natural rights are not created by government. Period. And I have posted founding documents from the US and Australia as well as documents from the UN as evidence for my claim.

Now it’s time for YOU to supply evidence of your claim that government does create rights.

The rights in question are inherent and exist from birth according to the UN. Were you born? Are you human? Then you and I have the same rights regardless of which hemisphere we reside in. If you disagree with the UN, the US founding documents AND your own constitution, present an argument based on evidence and logic against their claims.

I’m uninterested in strawman arguments. Sorry.

 

It is instinctive that anyone would defend themself and theirs under attack, but their exoneration or otherwise for so doing now comes from statute.

 

557, Neither Jefferson nor any Aussie wrote these words....these are yours

My question is....fifth try......what does create those rights, and how does that mean that I have the same rights you have, down here?

 

not relevant in this area

 

Ok...good...so at least I now understand that 'instinctive' is not the same as 'natural' in this discussion.

 

I have not commented on instinctive but since I have a real US law degree-from one of the very best schools, and have actually lectured at several accredited law schools on the topic, I am merely explaining =for example, why the Supreme Court , in a case almost 150 years old-explained that the right recognized in the second amendment was not created by the constitution

 

Your question is a strawman in which I have NO interest. I have posted voluminous evidence for MY one and ONLY claim.

If you disagree with the UN, the US Declaration of Independence, and the Australian Constitution that is of no concern to me. I made a simple statement of fact—rights up for discussion here ARE NOT created by government—period. I have provided evidence of this fact. None of the governments or documents in question claim to have created any right. In fact the are very concise in attributing creation of those rights to other entities including a creator, Almighty God, and inherent endowment at birth.

Your question is for those making the claim of where rights COME FROM. My claim was where rights DO NOT COME FROM and I’ve presented the clear overwhelming evidence my claim is in fact true.

I will not attempt to explain or justify claims made by two governments and the UN. Your question is a purely fallacious one and I am not interested in it. Not even a little bit. The more times you present fallacy in the face of clearly presented evidence the less credibility you have.

Oh, my bad, it’s too late. You destroyed your credibility the other day….

 

If you are going to tell me from where they do not come, It is upon you to tell me where they do come from especially as you are asserting that I also have these rights that came from somewhere you are too afraid to tell me about.

 

Bully for you.

 

my condolences

 

This is the most constructive contribution I can think of for this thread.

 

Really....where in....... let's say...the Australian Constitution is it stated that anything came from a 'creator, Almighty God, and inherent at birth?'

 

Far more likely to be faced with a mugger than a mass shooter.

 

In case you are serious.

http://www.nlnrac.org/american/u.s.-supreme-court

 

Only if you don't understand what irony is, lol.
I saw the band 40 years ago this month when they came to Norwich.
Still one of the best gigs I've ever been to.

 

Afraid? I’ve posted some of the most well known documents in human history that make specific claims about where rights come from. You are welcome to make an intellectual argument based on evidence against those very specific claims.

But you won’t because you can’t. All you have, as usual, is unsubstantiated opinions and fallacy.

 

I have already posted links and pull quotes from YOUR constitution demonstrating your government protects existing rights and does not create rights. You are welcome at any time to make an argument based on evidence that the reference to Almighty God in your Constitution is unrelated to human rights specified and alluded to in that Constitution.

Here is a conclusion of your court’s examination of one human right protected by your constitution.

Your historical roots in the Magna Carta show rights are inherent to the individual, in contrast with abuse of the notion of divine rights of monarchy that drove creation of such documents as the Great Charter.

From the Australian Government link provided previously.

Clearly rights are not a creation of government, but existing inherent human rights are protected by government.

Again, you are welcome, in fact encouraged, to critique your founding documents and government sources clarifying those documents. You are welcome to show where your government claims to create rights, not protect existing human rights.

As always, I’m uninterested in strawman fallacy. Your argument is with your government, not me.

 

So you think he’s being serious and expressing his true feelings? I didn’t consider that angle.

 

I also have a leprechaun at the bottom of my garden.

How come these natural rights about which you speak seem NOT to apply to all in the USA?

 

Oh yes. It's about wanting to achieve fame through killing children.
Exposing the media's enthusiasm for creating anti-heros by making the perpetrators of horrific crimes into household names until the next one comes along (I wanna be king for a day). Jello Biafra may play the clown but he's no fool. Smart as a button which is why it's one of my favourite bands of all time.

I climbed up on stage during this song and then executed a dive into the crowd that would make Tom Daley proud. (GB olympic gold medalist).

 

I am uninterested is strawman arguments.

Rights can be and routinely are abdicated to government and other individuals and organizations. That does not make the right cease to exist. The right to vote in the US does not cease to exist because someone didn’t go to the polls and vote.

You have the right to learn about your own government. The fact you haven’t doesn’t remove that right. You still can exercise that right if you so wish.

 

their best work IMHO. I was supposed to see them in N Ky but they cancelled

 

Now we are on the same page. The irony to me is the fact the art created to make a point about the evil of killing would trigger a red flag warning on the artist himself.

I’m not familiar with Dead Kennedy’s work. Give me time! It took me decades to really appreciate Pink Floyd’s musical genius (and Lady Gaga for that matter)! LOL

Are you still a wild man at concerts or have you mellowed with age? A few years ago my wife and I met up with some old friends from high school at a show where one of my favorite bands played. My wife poked me in the ribs and asked me why I wasn’t having a good time because I was basically standing there looking around at the crowd. I said I’m having a ball. I’m listening to my favorite music live while getting the opportunity to observe crowd dynamics and how performers can influence mass behavior through various aspects of their performance. Best of both worlds—inside the moment but looking in from the outside as well.

 

I enjoyed that piece of music.

 

Thanks guys. Now I have something new to explore on Amazon Music on my drive to Omaha tomorrow.