Oath Keeper Leader - Guilty of Seditious Conspiracy

We're already there. Just laugh. Look what they're trying to do to Elon Musk. Does that not say it all? He's the Democrats' latest boogeyman.

 

I don’t believe motive matters much within the statute of sedition. We already allow personal deeply held belief to be used as justification for discrimination and it isn’t going well — I don’t think doing it with legal principles will be any better.

 

When is Ray Epps trial?

 

Yeah I am still fighting like hell to take back my country. What's your point exactly?

 

If by wishful thinking you mean hundreds of polls, sure.

I am glad to see their are a few conservatives that actually see this as the travesty that it was.

 

Amen to the fact that they found Stewart Rhodes guilty and some others as well. I hope they're looking forward to plenty of jail time because that's what they deserve and that is what they will get for what they did on January 6, 2021. Trump tried to stop the voting and put it to his favor which didn't work out. It is time that we all know that the voter had spoken. That's the bottom line. end of story.

 

LOL.. who is the "they" and what is the "what" in that statement??

Seems the guy is completely self imploding.... not needing help from anybody in that regard...

 

Yes, but comparatively to the thousands of looky-loos who were at the Capitol to protest, it was very few who actually broke the law.

 

All I have to say about all these conspiracy theories the right comes up with. If they actually exist, you guys should give up. Any group that can accomplish doing everything they are accused of, has to be a super group that will never get beat.

What I do not understand is how the left can be accused of all these conspiracy theories and then accused of being incompetent and stupid. That doesn't make any sense.

 

Yeah breaks my heart.

Now back to all those Trump supporters that played naive on this. !!!!!
More to go I hope.

 

In a cell 8x14, 23 hrs a day.

They got off easy.

 

Good question.

 

Maximum sentence 20 years. He's a real nutcase. I wonder how many know that Rhodes threatened the POTUS, Trump?

"Written messages, including Signal messages and blog posts, displayed in the courtroom revealed how Rhodes often used grandiose language to suggest the group’s mission had an almost biblical purpose. In one open letter to then-President Donald Trump, which was posted on the Oath Keepers website in late December, Rhodes outlined what was at stake if Trump failed to block Joe Biden’s electoral victory.

“If you fail to do your duty,” he told Trump, “you will leave We the People no choice but to walk in the Founders footsteps, by declaring the regime illegitimate, incapable of representing us, destructive of the just ends of government ― to secure our liberty ― and to be a mere puppet of a deadly foreign enemy.”

Oath Keepers Founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes Convicted Of Seditious Conspiracy | HuffPost Latest News

 

Biden's WH, for one, and then there's his echo chamber of illiberals.

 

What's stopping the current one?

 

Okay. How many were in each group?

 

How many is "very few"?

 

'ere ya go. From the horse's mouth.

Link.

 

Ah, but he is at more risk.

Prosecuting the former President, any former President, will require courage, because such a prosecution falls under the 'maiden voyage' type of prosecution, which is the type of prosecution that has never happened before. And with such a large target, the stakes are as high as they could ever be, however high you could imagine those stakes, these are at it's zenith. The spotlight of the world will be upon the prosecution team, and it will be televised, no doubt.

The pressure, I couldn't fathom how intense the pressure would be, to win, and the epic devastation it would be for the prosecutors, if they lose. Think of all the hate mail, death threats, to them, to their families, they will receive, as many who are now receiving who have opposed, openly, Trump, in the general election process, including a number of Republicans. I would imagine that the prosecutors will need special police protection. Even if they win, they are painting a target on their backs. If the lose, they will be the subject of Trump's ridicule for probably the rest of his life, spewing hatred against them projected to his his millions of followers.

This is why all of the natterers in the peanut gallery need to cool it with the 'how come they haven't indicted already' rhetoric. We can't possibly understand what they are up against, and the mountains of evidence they are going to need to assure a conviction, let alone finding a jury that isn't biased that will look at the facts without a preconceived notion about Trump.

The point I'm driving at is this, now that there have been some successful sedition charges, it will be easier for more sedition convictions on the Proud Boys, more incentive for guilty please ( and more opportunities to flip anyone who might have good info to use against Trump, et al) and this just might give those folks who are considering prosecuting Trump, via the Special Counsel or the DA's office in Georgia, some more spine, might make that leap into that maiden voyage a little less scary. Yes, I can imagine prosecuting Trump is scary, or at least tremendously stressful, how could it not be?

 

There is a concept called 'prosecutorial discretion'.

Seditious Conspiracy is rarely charged, given how hard it is to indict someone on that charge, and is normally reserved for acts of much more serious magnatitude, like attacking the capitol, delaying or stopping the Joint Session of Congress. That sort of thing.

 

Actually, it was the jury who said it not the courts. But the problem lies in the prosecution bringing such a case in the first place. The judiciary isn't a healthy place right now, instead it makes kneejerk rulings and reactions. They clearly saw that there wasn't a conspiracy, but to make people feel better they decided to tag the two so-called 'ringleaders'.

That's not an equal application of justice, that's absurdity.

 

A teaspoon of goodwill will not vanquish a ton of ill will.

The juggernaut of rage experienced by the rioters came from somewhere.

From where do you suppose it came?

They were chanting 'stop the steal'. 'hang mike pence', and in their rage, people died and hundreds injured.

Who, do you honestly believe, gave them this idea, which erupted into the rage?

Who, might I ask?

Could it be Donald Trump, who.....

,...inculcated 'Democrats Stole The election" in to the minds of his base, in rally after rally, for a year or so, prior to the first ballot ever being cast?

ANd you think one fleeting mention of 'peaceful and patriotic' is going to get Trump off the hook? It might get a carp off the hook, but not a whale off the harpoon. Did we not witness him, Mo Brooks, Giuliani, whip them up into a frenzy and send them off to the capitol, to 'fight like hell or they might lose their country'?

With these ingredients, what could possibly go wrong? Hmmmm?

You don't think a skilled lawyer is going to shred that idea, 'patriotic and peacful' to bits?

Do you honestly believe, given these facts, Trump bears no responsibility for the damage, the deaths, the injuries, whatsoever? But for Trump, it wouldn't have happened. Note that Trump did nothing to stop it for some 3 hours. Dereliction, it's called, an impeachable offence, right there.

don't you think that a demagogue like Trump is clever enough to toss that out little tidbit of 'go peacefully' out there so that his base, people like you, will believe 'he is exonerated'?

Do you even know what a demagogue is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue

 

And this is what people don't understand. Who was the then-POTUS at the time? It wasn't Joe Biden, he was still President-elect. It was then-President Donald Trump. So in order for there to be a seditious conspiracy, it was not a conspiracy against the election. But a conspiracy against the presently sitting government of the United States.

But that is not the political message that the department of justice wishes to send. The House was held by the Republicans at the time(that was the whole point of the Green Bay plan). So even if one claimed the seditious conspiracy was to overthrow the House, that doesn't make sense either from the culprit's prospective.

They want to conflate what a seditious conspiracy is, to make it seem like a 'government overthrow' was occuring or about to occur, so as to brown up for Joe Biden. And that's the exact opposite of what the DOJ or the judiciary should stand for.

 

No, they are waiting for someone else to use it first.

 

This ^^^………..I was just thinking, it didn’t take long for the usual suspects to come out in defence of the traitors…