US Capitol attack Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes found guilty of seditious conspiracy

That wasn't my argument.

I'm sure that is true for some on the right, I was addressing AM and the positions he's been expressing.

 

There's also a Thomas Paine quote on the patriotism of criticizing the government, but I don't want to risk butchering it. But Paine and Adams are a huge part of my contemporary American thought process. Grover Cleveland and John Quincy Adams are other inspirations to my worldview on what America should be, rather than what it is.

 

You might be thinking of this:

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."

It was wrongly attributed to Paine. Edward Abbey actually penned it.

 

If you don't care, then why are you posting so many comments about it?
I do see that some Dems (or maybe anti-Trumpers) are overly excited by it, but the bottom line is that there were some Jan 6th participants who were conspiring to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power set out by the Constitution. I'm a little surprised how many are willing to excuse that which strikes at the heart of America.
But, ignoring the actions on Jan 6th is a choice, and one is completely welcome to it!
At the very least we should respect other people's decisions and opinions.
My opinion is that Trump did not directly order this, but it was loosely orchestrated by minions FOR Trump, and Trump loved every minute of it.
Trump is a coward, hiding behind others but slinging mud, letting anyone else take the fall for bad behavior he exemplifies.
And he gets away with it because of the Trump supporters like you.

 

It is the left that constantly criticizes the Constitution and everything it stands for and prefers it just be ignored when it comes to their political goals. It is the left that attacks and criticizes the accomplishments of our nation and it's accomplishments and wants to tear down it's history and founders.

 

Mr/ McCarthy's take on the matter



The Oath Keepers Verdicts Correct the Record on January 6

The jury concludes that there was a spontaneous riot at the Capitol, rather than an elaborate plot to make war on the United States.
It wasn’t an elaborate, multilayered plot. It wasn’t democracy hanging by a thread. It was a mob run amok, a riot. It was dangerous for those on the scene, and it was notorious because it happened at the Capitol instead of, say, on the streets of Minneapolis. But it was a spontaneous, chaotic, nearly pointless tantrum that had no chance of achieving even the nebulous, short-term aim of preventing Congress from counting state-certified electoral votes, much less of overthrowing America’s constitutional order.

Oh, and to hear prosecutors tell the story of January 6, Donald Trump had precious little to do with the whole thing.

These are the only logical conclusions to draw from the verdicts returned Tuesday afternoon by a jury in deep blue Washington, D.C. The panel acquitted three of the five Oath Keeper defendants whom the Justice Department overheatedly charged with seditious conspiracy — the crime of agreeing to levy war against the United States, or to forcibly oppose its authority. The jury did return seditious-conspiracy convictions against the Oath Keepers’ national leader, Stewart Rhodes, and his confidant, Kelly Meggs, who headed up the loose-knit organization’s Florida chapter. Yet jurors acquitted Rhodes on a charge of conspiracy to disrupt the January 6 joint session of Congress — the objective that, according to prosecutors, drove the seditious conspiracy.

[he notes all five were convicted on the attempt to obstruct a Congressional proceeding]

The verdicts seem irrational, but that is because the prosecution was irrational. To pull off even the nominal victory of nailing Rhodes on seditious conspiracy, the Justice Department had to present the case as if former President Trump was, at most, a bit player. In its way, this was as skewed a portrayal as that presented by the hyper-political, Trump-obsessed House January 6 committee, which would have you believe the former president directly and intentionally ordered his militant loyalists to attack the seat of government.

To the contrary (as we’ve previously detailed), the prosecutors concluded that Trump was not a member of the conspiracy and played no criminally culpable role in the violence. They depicted Trump as a mere pretext for the riot, rather than its orchestrator. In this telling, his election defeat and subsequent “stolen election” hogwash were the convenient excuse exploited by the Oath Keepers to rationalize an anti-government attack they’d begun contemplating long before the 2020 presidential campaign.

More here:https://www.nationalreview.com/2022...ough Friday 2022-11-30&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart

 

The Right and it’s icon , the Orange Stain, attacked one of the basic principles of our Constitution: the right to vote, by trying to change the certified outcome of a free, fair, and secure election with, among other illegal acts, violently attacking the Capitol while the government was counting certified votes.

The Right wins the prize for most heinous, seditious act in the history of the US.
And the Left will be reminding the electorate of it for at least a generation.

 

Rhodes seems like a real jerk.

The Oath Keepers seem like a bizarre organization of a lot of folks that want to fashion themselves as some sort of idealistic heroes, and other than to provide mutual reassurance of being right, there seems scant else for them to do.

They strike me as a group of small-minded racists looking for a fight.

 

If for no other reason than that they allowed themselves to be led by a guy named Elmer (Elmer Stewart Rhodes).

 

Who also went full Christmas Story and shot his eye out.

Frankly, I recently learned of his background. Seems like an intelligent and educated guy. I am a bit shocked this is the path he chose.

 

That certainly doesn't seem to be the case in this thread.

 

They were given mostly fines, community service, probation, or any combination of those. Many were charged with some type of tresspassing misdemeanor.

Politico has a comprehensive database that you can access from the following web oage:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/04/jan-6-insurrection-sentencing-tracker-526091

 

Hatred has to be taught. Someone he looked up to taught him.

 

Let's not forget Trump himself. In addition, we had Roger Stone meeting with them just before they stormed the Capital, and the loss of all those Secret Service messages. This was far more notorious than just this verdict, IMHO.

 

When their sentencing does come, no "Club Fed" like Christy's who was convicted of tax evasion, among other things. I would prefer them in CSX in Colorado or another maximum security federal prison.

 

the jury never considered any such thing Blues. they considered whether or not there was beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed the crimes. Nothing in the Trial linked to trump or the WH. In fact, what got Stewart convicted was that he pretty much lied under oath of what his actual texts were instead of what he said on the witness stand when asked questions about what he was doing that day. The prosecutors placed him there and showed his plans for that day, and his involvement for that day. That was it.

 

It’s the logical conclusion of your own posts

 

The bottom line, there was never a plot against the government and the show trial's outcome doesn't bare that out and never will. All it bares out is that the US also can conduct show trials if need be.

 

Support of OUR justice system doesn't mean it's infallible. There is no logic to your conclusion.

 

There is no logic to coming to the conclusion that being critical of it is wrong.

 

So, don’t do that.

 

They didn't because the prosecution would not allow it as a defense and never brought Trump into it. These are the only persons charged with any conspiracy or sedition charges. The so-called leadership, the ones who caused it and not one word about any coordination or planning or orders from Trump or anyone at the White House.

 

Not that I can see.

 

What right to vote for President do you have?

You do know the Dems have tried to overturn electoral votes too.

What evidence did the prosecution present that Trump was involved with any of the "seditionist"?

 

What evidence was produced tying Trump or Stone to these guys and their actions that day and be specific.