ARE WE ENTITLED TO AN HONORABLE CONGRESS?

Wouldn't term limits be just a step in correcting a lot of corruption here? We need Statesmen, not career political leeches!

 

I don't see how to get to a solution. Honorable and smart people are far too honorable and smart to want anything to do with government service. We have seen how the alligators and snakes react to anyone from the outside vowing to come in and drain their swamp.

 

I'm not defending the lying,they do it extensively and it is dishonorable. The question is- do you punish yourself for not realizing they are lying and so vote for them?
How do you become responsible their lies? Make their dishonor your fault?

I'm sure they would like that to be true. They would love to blame it on you. That seems to be much of the current ideology- make everyone responsible for everyone else, when it's convenient.
I'm unable to think like that no matter how far I stretch the limits of my values.

We are responsible for our decisions- and, when we realize we have made a mistake- responsible for correcting them...

 

We are not given any thing. We are choosing these people. In 2016 GOP had 15 candidates, yet GOP chose Trump. On the other hand in DEM side only 3 candidate ran. I guess America doesn’t have honest people who can run on election.

Today , American wants their guy regardless what is candidate’s character. Look at GA election. In every standard Herschel Walker is a piece of .. yet million of people would rather vote for Walker then a guy who spent 30 years in ministry.

All my life I heard this from voter , “ we have no choice , we have to chose, lesser of the two evils”. By saying that voter just wants to feel righteous. Voter complain all day long , politicians are corrupt, politicians don’t get any thing done, politician in Washington are out of touch. But that’s what we elect year after year. Our guy is more impotent then an honest person. On what world MTG or AOC is qualified to be a congresswoman, yet we elected them 2 terms.

 

Trump's not part of this question. Never in congress, most likely will never hold office again. But the people who generate the deceptions and day to day corruptions- will.

 

Maybe we haven't used the right tool or technique to fix it yet. Maybe it's in our tool box now..... buried at the bottom, under the stuff we keep trying that doesn't work.

Ever opened something you had to assemble or install, and figured you could do it intuitively- then eventually, decided you were going to have to actually read the instructions?
We al do that.

 

They don’t get to congress on their own, voter send them.

 

Two words (or three Biden words)

Term limits...

this kind of childish behavior went on way to long.... we would live in a different world if we had fresh new minds with fresh new ideas..

 

IF we thought that reasonable, and we deserve chaos and corruption, why is this forum and the media saturated with political complaints?

Jefferson was probably trying to point out the importance of prudent selection of those you vote for, in that the degree you err will be the measure of the consequence. In effect- that you must learn to do better, and I agree. If we don't know how (which is obviously true) perhaps- we can learn; haven't read the instruction book yet...

 

sure he is, members of Congress still defend Trump and his lies

you can't complain about lies in government and not bring up the king of lies himself.... Trump

Trump is the republican 2024 Candidate

 

Oh this was a classic gesture by Speaker. We loved it. The Speech by Trump was despicable.

 

You all need to take all of the above points in consideration along with the fact that freedom of speech is being quashed by the elite in the nation. The information we hear is grossly and largely Partisan. Independent thinkers are the only ones that have even a limited grasp of what has been going on! This fact will be exposed only to the point we can overcome the suppression of "free speech". Guess they'll becoming for our 2nd amendment next.

 

" freedom of speech is being quashed" -- where , how ? who is quashing your voice?

 

True, it would just be the decent and right thing to do.

 

I never liked safe seats. The more purple the state or congressional district is, the better for our Democratic Constitutional Republic.

 

No because then you are electing "political legacies." You still have the same problems just manifested in a different manner.

 

Great observation, great perception. Those factors are spot-on true, and they enter into the search for any solution.
Myself and a group of people started seeking a solution almost 15 years ago; we've probably examined thousands of options, and an equal number of dead ends. One of our most valuable contributors was a professor of political science with extensive insider knowledge about conditions in washington. At one point he told us what a solution would have to provide, and we would have to find. Then told us it would be impossible. He was wrong about that part, it is possible- and now, we know how. We are in the final phase today, implementation. Starts with figuring out if the level of apathy in our society is so great that the people are no longer willing to stand up and support their own future.

The professor's outline for a solution was this:
"It has to work. It has to be constitutional. It has to be simple. It has to leave no valid grounds to attack it. It has to step on no toes, be totally non-partisan. It has to bridge all political divides, unite the people.
And- it has to be able to achieve super-majority support from the people".

Our group was like a small informal think-tank, and we accepted that challenge- many years back. Now, our project has met every parameter up to the last one. The solution certainly should achieve that level of support, but are the people still willing to provide it? So I pose the first question of support- Are we entitled to an honorable congress? Nobody fights when they think they have no hope or don't deserve.
All this takes is for people to speak out. They don't even have to vote for it, just support it to the level of super-majority. Nothing to lose- everything to win. But, you have to still give a damn, still be in the game.

As you may have noticed, most people are eager to tell you why they, or you, cannot succeed. They literally challenge you to convince than that they are wrong, and that they could win... like they feel they have won something if you can't. That is apathy; embracing and defending your failure, surrendering. That could be a far larger problem than the one we have spent thousands of hours and dollars trying to solve.

Many of the post replies here come from people of obvious strong character- but most express a belief that we can't do this, even that we are not entitled to win. Nobody- has just said, "Yes we are". This isn't something conditional; it's inherent to the DNA of the nation, it's core purpose and promise. WHY would anyone think otherwise? Apathy.

Nobody who has looked at the details of our project has been anything but solid and enthusiastic in support, so we hope that when we go public we will see that across the board. This post is a "feeler", exploring how people see this need. The greater the advance negativity in people's minds, the lower the chances to put this solution is place. It's not enough for you and I to care- that super-majority is the last hill to climb, and that depends on everyone. Absolutely no money in this for those behind it, all we want to do see the nation become a better place for future generations, and what we do today is shaping that future America. Everyone of us has responsibility for that future.

There's a sign on my office wall- "We do the difficult immediately. The impossible takes a little longer." Nothing is impossible- unless you refuse to try.

 

And you applaud the people who work so hard to keep the hate and damages going. To hell with solutions, concentrate on building problems.
If it didn't affect the good people, I'd let those people fully experience the consequences of their own decisions.

 

Nope, not at all. We get the politicians we deserve.

 

we elect people that brag of their "winner" philosophy which encompasses cheating to winner as left unsaid, as long as this viewpoint is rewarded with a seat in government corruption will prevail

 

You're given more than 2 choices. You just refuse to support more than 2 choices.
Vote libertarian or independent.

 

If one is honest, then one should not lie, correct? Is spinning lying? Or how about telling only certain facts that fit your political idealogy and ignoring all other facts that don't? Is that lying too? Again, all politicians do this regardless of a political party. The problem we have is two-fold: first, we elect the person with the letter behind the name, and second, we believe in the mythos of what that political party is today without any context.

Modern-day conservatives love to talk about the Democratic party of the 19th and early 20th centuries. The Democratic party was the CONSERVATIVE party of that time in historical context, but modern-day conservatives ignore that little fact. The GOP was the progressive party allowing blacks the right to vote, abolishment of slavery, women to vote and own property starting in a territory, now a state, called Wyoming, and so forth. The first "woke" President was actually Abraham Lincoln and the abolition of slavery. Now, put that in today's context. The Conservative Party today is the Democratic Party of yesterday and the Democratic Party today is the Republican Party of yesterday. The "wokeness" today is LGBTQ instead of slavery and the right to vote to blacks. But is any politician telling these facts? No, they are telling lies by saying the Democratic Party is against the people or all conservatives are fascists/racists. This is now what constitutes political discourse. We can include that all MSM media are fake news or that immigrants are to blame for all our problems or let's blame Muslims for all the terrorist attacks, and the list goes on and on and on. People who obtain their news from websites, podcasts, YouTube, etc tend to be less informed and only will believe what is told to them by what they trust. Thus, we are looking at the wrong place, the politicians. Those politicians are the ones who are elected in their district or state. So, we really should look at the voting populace rather than the politicians, should we not?

 

knowledge of history is not a republican strong point, for sure

 

I believe we are entitled to it, but it is very unlikely to happen.

 

Because Republicans are in love with the myth of history, not history itself.