Waiting for Superbatteries They are still a long way from matching the energy density of liquid fue

ICE fire rates are around 100 times the fire rate of EVs. Byeeee

 

Worthless statistics that mean nothing. It was fun watching you meltdown.

 

Tesla now has the 3rd and 6th best selling vehicles in China!

That stat covers all models, not just EVs.

https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automotive-sales-in-china-by-month

There are lots of categories. Look for list of top 10 best selling models.

 

You haven't provided any argument that could possibly hold water - pun intended!

 

Well, that's not quite the deal here.

When you make statements I am likely to ask for some sort of supporting evidence.

 

Then what the hell are you doing wasting your time trying to argue with me? Is your time really so worthless?

 

If you refuse to see it that is your religion blinding you.

 

Waiting for Superbatteries
They are still a long way from matching the energy density of liquid fuel ✔️



The future is RUBBER !! ​

 

You haven't yet presented any reason to believe your argument is more than a dream.

 

I don't really care what you choose to believe.

 

Depends on what you want to use your vehicle for.

 

Correct. I'm an automotive engineer with a strong regulatory involvement. That means things like this thread are kind of a hobby debunking the kind of nonsense progressives push.

Doesn't mean I've got the slightest interest in actual EVs.

 

Well, your disinterest shows pretty clearly.

 

Tsk tsk. So certain, and yet so naive.

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We shall see.

 

Toyota Motor Corp. plans to keep gas-powered cars as a key part of its lineup, rejecting efforts by rivals to go fully electric amid concerns over how quickly consumers will embrace new technologies.Oct 2, 2022

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Pretty much all of its promotion is done through Facebook and other outlets.

I don't know of any time they have done major media or event type advertising.

I did overlook stuff like Facebook and Instagram, and I do watch what's going on with Youtube and haven't seen anything there - though there are those who claim that has happened.

This is NOTHING like the traditional auto manufacturers who make significant ad buys, and that's the point.

If this came down to advertising, Tesla would be a remote competitor.

 

In a real sense, Elon Musk is the advertising.

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Toyota is advertising their new BZ series of EVs, the first to be delivered next year with other versions to follow.

Also, Toyota DID sell an EV, but ALL of them got recalled, because of the substantial risk of the wheels falling off! They produced NO fix for this problem and essentially bought back all those cars.

The do seem to be way less committed to EVS that Ford, for example.

 

Fuel economy has never been a consistently high priority for consumers. Never.

CAFE when it was under DOT was never a big driver of fuel economy either. The structure of the rules never had significant penalties associated with it. At the very worst, even if you simply ignored the standards and exceeded the average by a mile or two per gallon in a given model year, as a manufacturer you'd be fined maybe $50-$200 per vehicle. That can easily be passed through to consumers, particularly with luxury vehicles that earn the highest profit margins. All CAFE ever really did was jigger around what could be sold as domestic or import based on where you chose to make various parts.

When EPA was allowed to regulate CO2 under 2007s Massachutsetts v. EPA, that effectively rendered CAFE useless and turned CO2 regulation (remember, that's an exact technical inverse of CAFE- think about it for a minute) over to the draconian auspices of EPA that the wheels fell off. EPA is currently demanding some 45 mpg equivalent- that's a hard number, not an average- across the board. I currently can't name any more than maybe 2 cars that come close to 45 mpg. It's an impossible dream to build and sell IC engine vehicles (useful ones anyways) that meet those standards but automakers (and really everybody that has ever had to deal with them) knows EPA is structured as pretty much a totalitarian regime with the power to simply shut down a company if they won't play ball. Everybody, particularly automakers who immediately felt the power of their wrath when they were initially enacted in 1972, knows that. The only worse agency in the US (and really the world) is the California Air Resources Board (CARB) which is EPA with a sadistic streak.

Once EPA took over, automakers had no choice but to develop and publically support EVs because of the myriad EV bribes in the new regulations. The bribes existed in the form of a credit trading program that allowed automakers to buy and sell credits for EVs to make up the gap they faced in getting the rest of their vehicle lines certified as well as huge tax breaks to buy EVs.

I'll say that again. Automakers got EV religion not because they're great or particularly useful vehicle, but because the Federal government literally held a gun to their heads and threatened their very ability to continue to exist. And, by the way, since Tesla is the only significant EV maker that doesn't have to carry any legacy IC vehicles forward, they managed to turn a profit for the very first time in their 20-some year existence by simply selling all the credits they don't need to use to other automakers.

Meanwhile everyone else continues to smile and say how wonderful the world will be when it's filled with EVs.

Until WV v. EPA said EPA doesn't have the authority to regulate a non-pollutant like CO2. Now it gets fun.

 

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I agree with that. He can get away with that as he has a magnetic presence and he's driving the world's direction for space transportation as well as for road transportation. Also, his communications network is perhaps not well known, but it is a huge deal.

Today, Ford, VW, NASA and the rest have to pay people to listen, at least comparatively speaking.

 

I agree that CAFE standards were pretty much a bust. Those opposed had the money and the power to ensure failure. And, they sure did a number on that!

It became important when competitors beat Detroit in several factors that customers did care about - making valid arguments for buying Toyota and the rest. [edit to add this sentence.] At most times, mileage was probably not the primary difference maker, but it definitely added to the package of advantages - total life of vehicles, quality of workmanship, time in the shop, etc.

Your argument about government intervention is just plain nonsense.

If EVs are toys such as you claim, then there won't be any such laws.

If EVs are real, then automakers have to meet the demand or lose market share - regardless of what the government does.

You seem to want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.

 

Lithium has hit overproduction world wide

 

I'm watching a video right now on YouTube about a guy who owns a Ford F-150 lightning it's supposed to have 230 mi of range he's driving out on a 120 mile trip and the low range indicator came on toward the end of it. This is a brand new vehicle 2022.

It lost 47% of its rage due to cold weather and we're not tucking blistering called I live in Southeast Texas and we have temperatures like that here 37° f.

I have a 14-year-old Ford F-150 this technology should be considered ancient history compared to this vehicle but I don't lose 47% of my range because it's in the upper 30s.

Once people other than fanboys buy these the demand is going to plummet. I imagine fanboys some of them will be disillusioned.

They are terrible.