An atheist can blaspheme god

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  1. Interaktive

    Interaktive Well-Known Member

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    An atheist can blaspheme god
    there is an international blasphemy law day
    this is progress
    do you agree
     
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    Insulting someone's religious beliefs may or may not be legal, depending on where you are.

    But, as an atheist I would emphasize it is just plain stupid everywhere.
     
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    Not exactly sure what you mean by blaspheming. Atheists are most certainly able to say disparaging things about things that other people take to be an existing God, but to the atheist themselves, it addresses only a thing they don't believe in. Whether you call that blasphemy is kinda arbitrary.

    It is progress for people to be allowed to do what others call blaspheming. Whether doing blasphemy itself is progress kinda depends. If it is instrumental in making the world better in some way, then sure.
     
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    the world will be better if materialists are in power
     
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    Well America has always had that freedom, so in America it is not progress, rather it is the status quo. A status quo determined by the US Constitution and not some imaginary law.
     
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    Trolling? lol
     
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    You can only insult or hurt those who hear or read what you say . We know that will include some people, and it probably will not include insects or other lower intelligent life forms. We don't know if it includes any deities. Blasphemy describes a specific subject about which the insult or hurt eminates. I agree with WillReadmore. It's usually just plain stupid.
     
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    exactly, saying one doesn't believe in one's myths is called blasphemy by some

    and then we have what the church calls heresy

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    That is the absurdity of religion; this Great Being that had the power to Create the Universe supposedly gets all bent out of shape about some human being commiting what some other human being says is blasphemy.

    Maybe the Great Being is just laughing at the idiocy.
     
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    And this Great Being created the human knowing full well exactly what said human would then do, and then gets bent out of shape over it. Zero personal responsibility for God, even to himself.
     
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    Surely anyone could blaspheme one way or another. In fact, if it was something a god objected to, wouldn't they be more bothered by people doing bad things in their name or worship of "false" gods rather than people who simply happen not to believe in any?

    In that it is part of a campaign against criminalisation of blasphemy, yes. It being legal doesn't mean anyone should intentionally seek to blaspheme for no good reason though. It also means that all religions and beliefs are treated equally, which typically isn't the case with blasphemy laws (as written or in practice). After all, simply practicing one religion is likely blasphemous in the view of some other religions (even between religions or sects that have shared origins).

    That appears to be an entirely separate question (and I'm not sure how it relates to the post you replied to anyway). It is perfectly possible to have theists in charge but not have blasphemy laws and it is perfectly possible to have "materialists" in charge but still have blasphemy laws. The whole point is that it shouldn't matter what any of us personally believe or what faiths we may or may not follow, the general legal, moral and social principles should apply equally to all.
     
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    It is estimated that humans have worshipped over 33,000,000 unique gods through the ages. When one shows up in all of its alleged glory and power it might be worthy of being worshipped. Until then, it's all BS to keep the superstitious chained to silly beliefs.
     
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    That is another aspect of the weirdness.

    The Great Being has to know everything about human psychology and social psychology.

    Maybe Einstein explained it. If human stupidity is infinite then maybe the Big GB can't even figure out the permutations resulting from all of the human interactions.
     
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    To an atheist, 'blasphemy' doesn't exist, as it is a word dependent on being a theist.
     
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    Of course it should never be illegal to criticize religion. If we cant bash god, then next we wont be able to bash govt. In the handful of countries where this law would actually be needed, it will not be respected. By that I mean Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan are still going to cut pieces of you off if you go there and bash god, or the govt for that matter. No intrnl law enforcement are going to break you out or lock them up for unlawful laws. But I guess the blasphemers in those countries can rest easy knowing their deaths weren't justified according to intrnl law...
     
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    just being an Atheist is blasphemy to some religious folks
     
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    Yes, just as to a christian, a muslim blasphemes, and to a muslim, a christian blasphemes, etc., etc.
     
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    The better response in the fourth cell, would have been:

    "It brings you peace and purpose? .. that's great. Peace and purpose are important, and finding them in a rock is better than finding them in drugs or bitterness".
     
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    yes, but the second two posts are what make it evil
     
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    That's the beauty of giving a better response in the first instance. No 'blaspeming', everyone's happy.

    Telling someone their pet thing is 'stupid', isn't always going to be well met. Besides, how does that guy know the rock isn't actually god? Or a manifestation of a god?
     
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    I read the apocryphal Bible book Bel and the Dragon a few weeks ago and it struck me how horrible it was that the story contained both the idea that you must worship a God or item of power or be put to death, or, on the other hand, play games of wit with the priests of other religions and the losers are put to death for the crime of feeding their wives and children.

    Death, death, too much death.

    I'm so glad that I live in a time and place that being an atheist isn't a blasphemy punishable by death.
     
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    so appease the religious nuts or die?
     
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    It's not appeasement to say "good for you", if someone tells you that something otherwise harmless brings them peace. It's the truth in that moment, that you feel pleased for the person - unless you're a sour individual, given to resenting the peace of others if it's sourced differently to, or is greater than, your own.
     
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    ah, but just stating you believe differently is blasphemy to some
     
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    Not to the vast majority of Christians .. and probably not to Buddhists either. I doubt Hindu's care, since they do the whole pantheon thing, and it would be very strange to see a Shintoist get angry over someone else's god.
     
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