Kamala Harris omits right to 'life' when quoting Declaration of Independence in abortion speech

And we failed at the very start with blacks accounting for 3/5 of a vote and Native Americans were specifically excluded. The founding fathers had high ideals but failed.

The whole purpose of the Declaration of Independence was not for us Colionals to state "mi lord" or "mi lady" in which the royal blood and those working for the crown had more rights than the common man. That was the whole point of "we hold these truths to be self evident...." which was again a Lockean Principle in the Treastise of Government and an Essay on Natural Law.

 

nope, it says Pregnant Moms, not children, as they don't count, why can't they add dependents for all those invitro conceptions in the petri-dish, all potential babies

 

If you listened to her whole speech, the intent was not to recite the Declaration of Independence. That is done in Middle School, or at least I had to do that along with the Gettysburg Address for American History. But what she did do is summarize one part of the Declaration of Independence, that is all.

But in VP Harris remarks, her emphasis was on the right to prochoice, the right for women to self choose whether to terminate a pregnacy or not. This was all about the 50th anniversary of Roe v Wade

This is the actual speech of VP Harris. In that speech, her emphasis is "And 50 years ago today, so did those who won a fight in the United States Supreme Court to recognize the fundamental constitutional right of a woman to make decisions about her own body — (applause) — not the government. (Applause.)" Whether you agree with her premise or not is not the question here, but the question is what was her purpose in the speech she gave. In a nutshell, abortion rights that she believes were bestowed through the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. That is all.

 

Or we can tar the entire Democratic Party with her mistake.

 

And she had to mangle the document to make that point.

 

And you are having that here too with Blues and other stating that right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is somehow anti-abortion." That is just as bad and clearly shows the posters quoting or attempting to quote the Declaration of Independence have no clue what it meant in its original context.

 

Definitely. When I'm particularly not happy with is Dan Crenshaw in his not liking of the second amendment.

We actually fought a civil war over that.

 

Potential? When an offspring is created it has a mother and father. No potential but actual.

 

I don't think you saw my Post #117, so you might want to check that out before you read this.

As you'll see in that post, I understand exactly what she was trying to do, and I agree that a woman's reproductive rights are an extension of her inherent and inalienable natural right to self-proprietorship. I also have no problem whatsoever with Harris making that connection, and what mystifies me is that she didn't have to cherry-pick from the natural rights affirmed in the Preamble of the DOI. She made the case for a woman's right to determine her own future and act in her own interests, and those rights can and must be connected to the right to life in the broadest sense, but she fell into the trap of thinking of it in the same narrow sense that the anti-abortion crowd wants everyone to think of it in, so she made the mistake of not including that right along with the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As we all can see from this kerfuffle, if you're going to cite the natural rights expressed in the DOI, you'd better go all the way and you'd better make a convincing case in every respect. If you can't, you're better off not going there at all. Go somewhere else, and there are plenty of other places to go, like Overton and Locke and Supreme Court precedent, to mention just three. By going to those other places, you will also be able to attack the blatant cherry-picking of history, tradition and precedent that Alito & Co. engaged in to arrive at their Dobbs ruling.

I get the purpose of her speech, but intentions are no substitute for results. She didn't need to make the mistakes she made, and the people around her obviously didn't help her avoid them. Regardless of the issue, you can never allow your choice of words play into the hands of your opponents, and that's what happened here, and as I pointed out in my other post it obscured the legitimate point she made, which undermined her intent.

I'm pro-abortion (within reasonable limits), and this is a textbook example of how the people speaking on behalf of women's reproductive rights and the right to self-proprietorship need to do a better job of arguing their cases. Unless they want to lose even more ground in these battles they're going to have to up their games.

Opportunity lost, but hopefully this will serve as a learning experience.

 

nope, a miscarriage is just that, a miscarriage, no baby was never ever born

one can also die before their body dies, wrap your mind around that

our life force can come when the body can support it, it can also leave when it can't any longer

if one thinks all we are is our bodies, we have no life force or soul, then I can see how they might think that way

 

Ms. Harris apparently thought so, too. She thinks the DOI, sufficiently espurgated, is pro-abortion.

 

Wow. The women I have lived with my entire life, from mother to my wife, have never had many abortions in their lifetimes.

I wonder what the other women around here make of that claim?

 

yeah....right.......call me when she tweets "COVFEFE"

 

Yes, she did, and she didn't need to do so.

The Preamble of the DOI is pro right to self-proprietorship and she could have made a legitimate argument from there, but she didn't....

 

No.....she took the first two sentences and EDITED them to her liking. She omitted CREATOR as well as life! It's time Progressives got real! If they have a problem with Creator mentioned by our Founders then address it for crying out loud! Don't just take the liberty to edit it out! You know the thing!!!

 

Soooooooo what's the big deal here? She didn't mention a part in our Countries declaration of independence and war note we sent to the King.

You must have lost your **** when Trump said our Military valiantly defended the airports during the very war that declaration made happen.

 

Who gives a ****? Did you care that Trumps dumb traitorous ass stated that our military defended the airports during the war that the DOI made happen?

 

Meet Kamala Harris's 6-Year-Old Speechwriter

https://fb.watch/iggsau-PNJ/

 

Typos vs the fact she genuinely just doesn’t know things lol.

 

From what I'm reading in this threads, is that those defending Kamala don't have much respect for our founders or the founding documents. So the vp is talking to that audience.

 

I have to say, I DO love this from this incredibly stupid Vice President! It's just GREAT! Uh, what happened to the right to LIFE Kamala? You're just gonna skip right over that bit I guess! Of course, she also omitted "endowed by our CREATOR."

 

Yeah, paraphrasing by omitting one single word!

 

She left out a word, meaning that she didn't quote it properly, just to suit her narrative!

 

Then she should have had no problem saying "life."

 

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