Electric vehicles more expensive to fuel than gas-powered cars at end of 2022: consulting firm

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy...uel-gas-powered-cars-end-2022-consulting-firm

More expensive, less condensed fuel, and they think they’re the smart ones for owning them. Lmao. Okay, for real. Electric is stupid until we get better tech.

 

I'm hoping for an advance in EV batteries soon because my car lease is up in mid-2024 and I'm thinking about getting an EV.

Anyway, I've been looking at EV window stickers (KIA NIRO EV 2023), range of 253 miles, and there's an estimated power cost of about $650 per year. And they say to get numbers from this website: fueleconomy.gov.

 

Well, what would make more sense is for government to give some grant money to do more research into EV batteries, rather than trying to force this on consumers and industry and hope industry will have to make technological breakthroughs out of necessity. The latter seems overly and naively hopeful, like we're going to set our policy based on some expected technological breakthrough in the future we know nothing about.

Also, an advance in EV batteries doesn't really have too much to do with the topic. The cost of required electric power to run electric cars will still be the same regardless of battery technology breakthroughs.

 

I'll point out that part of the reason some of these electric cars models use so little energy is because they are so lightweight. It would probably be similar for a conventional gas-burning car if it were built with the same lightweight frame and small size.

And ironically those "estimated power costs" that the government site uses is not for renewable energy. Your costs are going to be much higher in states that require most of the electricity to be produced from renewable sources.

The costs also do not include the cost of the home electric charger (which can be up to $2000 ). And energy costs at public charging stations may be higher than what it costs at home, especially when government eventually removes the subsidies.

 

Oh! Faux! Guess the EV lobby should give old Rupert more money if they want positive coverage

 

being an early adopter often costs more, look at the first cell phones...

i won't buy one due to batteries, the fire risk and cost

and as old as I am, I may only buy one more new used car, so may never go ev

I wish I could buy new ice like the old ones, no digital nonsense, easy to fix, just works

 

Except electric cars have already been a thing for a while. Hasn't it been 10 years now?
They're already being produced on a large scale.

I do wonder how many people who want to force society to have electric cars actually own one themselves...

 

Depends

There are a couple of types of EVs that are massively becoming more and more successful

Scooters - disability and electric as well as Electric bikes

 

yeah, just like cellphones, takes time, cellphone batteries still need improvements, especially the battery, but they have come a long way thanks to early adopters of new technology every step of the way

 

Well, you're not incorrect. But I think we have to be cautious if we are going to take a statement like that and then try to use it to insinuate something else.

Hopefully this is not what YOU were trying to imply, but some people might look at that statement and then think that means government should try to pressure people to buy electric cars.

I do not think that is the case. It would make more sense for government to simply invest in more research and technological development. It's not necessarily logical to assume that people have to buy a product for technological advancements to be made on that product. That's not really logical or a sensible course of policy.

 

early adopters mean people choose a technology because it's new - forcing people to choose it, is not called early adopters, and no one is doing that

but just like with many other things, ICE cars included, the government may help out with infrastructure to support the new technology

I will never buy a cloud based car, this is a scam - they want to make car ownership a subscription model for things like heated seats, anti-lock breaks, gps, etc...

tesla even got trying to charge people thousands more to use ALL of their battery

 

That's not really true, and you are not fully aware of the situation and what's happening if you believe that.

Why do you think conservatives are against these electric cars? Because the other side is trying to force them, with hidden subsidies, pressure and coercion.
(The state of California even put a mandate on auto dealers, which will ultimately end up making buyers of regular cars have to pay increased prices to pay for lowering the prices other people have to pay to buy electric cars. A couple of states have already put in place plans to ban the sale of regular cars within 12 years)

 

I still drive ICE, no one forcing anyone to buy an EV

 

That talk is dumb and naive.
"I don't see it happening to me, so it's not happening"
It has already started happening in some places. It may already be starting to happen where you are but you do not know about it or realize it.
If it is not already beginning to happen where you are, chances are there are people in your state or country trying to make it happen, and they are not that far away from getting what they want.

 

Flex fuel is kind of like that. It is cheaper too but you get horrible mileage with it. It is one of those things where you could end up having to pay extra license and registration fees to account for your theoretical less consumption but then have to use normal gas anyway if you drive a lot.

 

link to anyone, anyone at all, being forced to buy an EV

no one is being forced to buy an EV

 

"The Washington Department of Ecology is proposing rules requiring all new light-duty cars and trucks sold in Washington to meet zero-emission vehicle standards by 2035.
A 2020 law passed by the Washington Legislature requires Ecology to amend the ZEV rules in its Clean Vehicles Program to match those in California and other states moving away from gas- and diesel-powered vehicles. In total, 16 states, representing more than 35% of all national vehicle sales, are adopting these policies."
Sept. 7 - Clean Vehicles Public Comment - Washington State Department of Ecology
"In March 2020, the Legislature passed the Motor Vehicle Emission Standards – Zero-Emission Vehicles law (RCW 70A.30.010) which directs us to adopt California’s vehicle emission standards. This includes new requirements to gradually increase the number of new zero-emission vehicles (ZEV) sold in Washington, until all new vehicles meet the ZEV standard starting in 2035."
Zero-emission vehicles (ZEV) - Washington State Department of Ecology

Are you capable of interpreting and understanding what this language means, FreshAir?

 

so your saying it "might" happen after 2035, but not happening now, got it

"Are you capable of interpreting and understanding what this language means, FreshAir?'

it's not happening now, seems you were mistaken when you thought it was

 

49 years. Lol up Citicar. This is an electric car made in 1974. And leave me the electric cars every year since then I've seen quite a number of them.

The idea that they're cool and not some dirty little piece of crap that's been the better part of 2 years I think that very first Tesla that we saw was a bit hard to accept.

 

No, FreshAir. So apparently you are not capable of understanding.
They already passed the law. The law (that they already passed) WILL ban the sale of regular cars after 2035.
Even before then, that law is making the purchase of regular cars more expensive, until the mandated percentage of consumers buy the electric cars instead of regular cars.

Say for example a car dealership is required by the law to buy 50% electric cars but consumers only purchased their regular cars. That would make the price of the regular cars much more expensive, since the dealer also was forced to purchase all those electric cars consumers do not want as much. Of course what ends up happening is the regular cars get so expensive that consumers are forced or pressured into buying the electric cars. Or the dealer has to sell the electric cars at a loss, because they had to buy all these electric cars, so if the dealer is losing money on the cars and having to sell at a low price, of course that is going to push more consumers to buy them.

It could very likely become the case the consumers will be paying higher prices for the regular cars than the electric cars, even though the car dealership they are buying from had to pay higher prices for the electric cars than the regular ones. The electric cars still cost more, it is just the burden of their cost has been shifted onto those buying regular cars.

 

So you can't even walk because walking causes you to exhale and that's emissions.

Somebody needs to tell these people there's no such thing as a zero emissions car.

 

I said it was not happening, no one has been forced to buy an EV

now you're saying, ok, maybe not yet, but after 2035

 

Electric cars for the first time in 80 years I finally getting seen as sophisticated. That's why they're all so expensive. If they make one for the regular person then they're not sophisticated anymore.

It's essentially The emperor's New clothes.

Really all it is that makes them any different from the garbage they made in the 70s and before is all the gizmos they put in them. It's still a battery that will have to discharged and be recharged over and over and over again until it can't anymore. It still has very very thirsty electric motors I think they're going about this the wrong way if they would build a geared transmission they can probably get a lot more mileage out of it. But didn't have to make a different choice on battery placement which would mean they couldn't make it the frame of the car meeting that Italian battery wouldn't be the end of the vehicle and you buying a new one.

The ironic part about this is people think it's green it's not this is a disposable car like a cell phone. The people that buy the new and drive them for 3 years once they lose their luster and everybody's that clutching at their tinkle about them anymore the resale value is going to be garbage. Because it's likely the second owner or the first that's going to be the owner at the end of the life of the vehicle. There won't be junk yards because nobody will be fixing up older models because what's the point if the battery costs a fortune.

It's all of this just goes to a landfill.

People will talk all about recycling but that's a pig in a poke

 

Likely these states will be burning natural gas in power plants to produce the electric power to charge the battery to power the car.
But apparently they will still consider that "zero emissions".

Of course this is pure stupidity. But lots of people and politicians are stupid.

Anyone with half a brain could figure out it probably makes more sense to at least burn that gas in the cars directly. Since there are lots of efficiency losses in the long process of converting movement into electric power in the generator at the power plant, stepping up and down that voltage in transformers and transmitting that electric power through power lines over long distances.

Hey, but at least if you don't see the pollution coming out of your actual car, it will make the stupid feel good.

 

Oh that's not forget the immense amount of emissions produced in building the car. The cost of human life in countries where they mine Cobalt and lithium for these toys.

Also you know natural gas was made cheap by a process called fracking they opposed that too. When we switch to predominantly natural gas that was the single greatest reduction in greenhouse gases in our history.

But fracking was going to destroy the world that wouldn't in reality it's saved it. These people are constantly and forever wrong about what's good for the environment so they shouldn't be listened to.