Matt Gaetz introduces bill barring Adam Schiff from receiving classified information

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't, for the stated reasons here, though he didn't coordinate with Russia in any big way, he was, indeed, Putin's 'useful idiot'

    But, for the reasons stated in this post, it wasn't a hoax.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ell-there-is-this-so-you-be-the-judge.607651/
     
  2. Moolk

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    I doubt this works but is very much justified
     
  3. Patricio Da Silva

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    Given the facts I wrote about here, it wasn't an unreasonable belief.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ell-there-is-this-so-you-be-the-judge.607651/

    Though the investigation didn't prove coordination in any big way with Russia, there was a lot of Russia in Trump's campaign, so much russia that it wasn't unreasonable to believe he as colluding with russia. MR revealed over 140 contacts with Russia. Hell, manafort provided proprietary voter demographic data to a Russian Spy, he was on a Putin oligarch's payroll, Deripaska, who was mentioned in the 1000 page Senate Judiciary report on the Russia investigation over 300 times, and he was a consultant for Putin sycophant Poroshenko, the President of Ukraine Before Zelensky. Trump hired Cambridge analytica who sold FB data to Russia, Russia was all over Trump's campaign. he had Flynn call russia to tell them they were going to treat them better than Obama did, which is why, after Obama fired all of those Russian embassy staffers, not only did Putin not retaliate, he invited the children of 35 US diplomats to the Kremlin for Christmas, which conveniently occurred right after Flynn called Russia

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...3d29c6-a1f0-11ea-b5c9-570a91917d8d_story.html

    Trump, after the Senate imposed sanctions on Russia, Trump slow walked implementing them for as long as he could.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/timeline-trumps-delays-russia-sanctions/story?id=50733408

    So, it wasn't a lie, because getting a fact wrong is not lying.

    Lying is knowing you are telling an untruth, and continue to tell it.

    Please know the difference.

    However, asserting that Trump was Putin's 'useful idiot' is a fair characterization.
     
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  4. FatBack

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    stop making excuses for him repeatedly lying to the American public.

    Here's some differences that you can learn... Shady shifty schiff, lied under oath about President Trump's phone call to the Ukrainian president. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's a criminal act.

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  5. FatBack

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    Were you okay with the fabricated steel dossier being used to justify spying on an American presidential candidates campaign?

    They knew the details were fabricated and yet the FBI withheld that information from the judges that issued the warrant
     
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    Schiff is a putz to be sure, but a bill like this is just mindless political theater from the Fake Patriot Caucus.
     
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    LMAO!
    This Idiotic "Bill" is going nowhere..
    Gaetz would have an (expoentially) better chance of getting a "Bill" through the Senate...
    ...IF he proposed a "Bill" making Bigfoot's Birthday a National Holiday...
    Gaetz is a Complete JOKE!
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    She's going to win.... I mean, he's going to win!
     
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    Call it what you want. The fact of the matter remains that Gaetz is a perv that is attracted to underage girls and Gym Jordan allowed young college boys get raped.
     
  10. Think for myself

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    Apparently so
     
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    Adam Schiff is a role model for those spreading dis/misinformation.
     
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  12. Patricio Da Silva

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    Scott Perry is complicit with Trump, Giuliani, Navarro, and Eastman to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power at the Joint Session of Congress in order to:

    1. Either throw the session into chaos such that the VP had to shift the election of the president to the house where the conspirators had foreknowledge that republicans had a two state majority in the delegations, assuring Trump would maintain power and thwart the will of the people, or.....

    2. Replace Biden's electors in the swing states by pressuring state election officials to decertifiy, set aside Biden's electors and replace with Trump's 'alternate' (fake) electors.

    His opinion is not credible.

    For more information, see:

     
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  13. Andrew Jackson

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    Who?
    Gaetz? Win WHAT?
     
  14. Patricio Da Silva

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    The Steele dossier as first offered to the FBI as 'raw intel' not as fact, but info gleaned from Russian sources which required confirmation.
    "Fabrication" implies intent to deceive, and there is no evidence of that. If anything, the FBI were over zealous to a fault.
    "Spying' has a connotation of working for the enemy, and I reject the characterization. 'unwarranted surveillance' is the correct term.

    The IG determined that the FBI's FISA applications were faulty across the board, and not just with Trump, and thus there was no evidence of bias against Trump.
    No, they should have been more careful, but the investigation overall was deemed sufficiently predicated and not biased, nevertheless.

    IF you do not present those facts, you are not providing the full context of the subject, and are being disingenuous.
    You have evidence they knew it was false? Please present it.

    THe FBI was wrong, and I'm sure they are no longer being sloppy about FISA warrants. I believe the IG recommended disciplining the offending agents.

    Page shouldn't have been surveilled, but the overall investigation was warranted, nevertheless.
     
  15. Think for myself

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    Many portions of the “steel dossier” were indeed confirmed.
     
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    Anybody watching news or paying attention doesn't need a link. It's commen knowledge. It's like asking for a link to prove Reagan was elected.
     
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    Schiff has proven over and over again that he is no where near trustworthy. But I don't think such a bill restricting his access is allowed or even constitutional without a full house censorship of Schiff which I believe is nigh on impossible.
     
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    Oh, totally
     
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    It's not
     
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    It's the part with the complete Fabrications that were known to be Fabrications by the FBI who withheld the information from the judges issuing the warrant to spy on American presidential campaign that's the most concerning.

    What you say is completely irrelevant in regards to that
     
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    Oh. When did that allegedly happen?
     
  22. Steve N

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    Hey, I like this alleged whataboutisms game, can I play?

    How should an alleged rapist and proven sniffer of kids and proven groper of women who has a proven racist past be the arbiter of where my tax money goes or if we should start WWIII?

    Did you vote for a woman who allegedly destroyed the lives of the woman her husband raped and has allegedly killed more people than heart disease?

    No matter what conservative you decide to pick on and no matter what the issue is, it’s almost guaranteed that you can be whataboutism’d with Biden and Clinton, and I know the left won’t complain because to do it in every thread.
     
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    Adam Schiff is a liar and trafficker in hoaxes. He will not be allowed by the House to traffick in classified information. And he's under an ethics complaint for unethical behavior.

    Thankfully, Adam Schiff, Noted Liar To The American People Is Going To Be Gone From The House Intelligence Committee

    Speaker "Ironsides" 'McCarthy is correct to boot Rep. Adam Schiff from the House Intelligence Committee.'

    "It's a feather in the cap of Speaker McCarthy for getting rid of this guy who has done tremendous damage to this country," he told FNC's Maria "Money Honey" Bartiromo on "Sunday Morning Futures."'

    MARIA BARTIROMO: 'Let's take a look at this op-ed in The Journal. This was by the editorial board. Adam Schiff, disinformation man, we know that he was all about spewing out misinformation during the Russia collusion lie. He kept going on TV saying that there was collusion in plain sight.'

    He's a bald-faced shameless pencil-necked liar.

    'At that time, he was the chairman of the Intel Committee for a time. Shouldn't he have known better? Did he know better and just lied about it?'

    He just lied. Knowingly, repeatedly, and for the purposes of disinformation in an attempt to drive the elected President from office.

    DEVIN NUNES: 'Well, look, the clear answer is, he doesn't care.'

    'And he worked with the media, who also was all in on this. They have known he's a liar forever. I mean, look, it was back in 2018 that we came out with that memo. And, essentially, for half of the country, we have been on a vindication tour, the Republicans that helped investigate this and people like yourself, Maria.'

    Too many on the Left are perfectly fine with a bald-faced liar like bug-eyed Schiff lying to the American People and in fact the lying fake news media were part of that effort to knowingly deceive the American People.

    'But you have half the country that's ignoring it all, and so that, look, thankfully, Schiff is going to be gone from the Intelligence Committee. It should have been done a long time ago. But I think it's a feather in the cap of Speaker McCarthy for getting rid of this guy who has done tremendous damage to this country.'

    BARTIROMO: 'Well, what about the special counsel? What does Congress have to do now? They're taking -- take on this Robert Hur special counsel, but he also has blood on his hands in terms of the Russia collusion lie, no?'

    Yes. He too is a Russian Collusion Liar in the service of the political goals of the Left.

    NUNES: 'Yes, look -- everybody celebrated that there's a special counsel on Biden. And I said, wait a second. Of all the people that work at the DOJ, of all the people that used to work at the DOJ, of all the prosecutors -- experience that's out there in the United States, of all the lawyers that you could pick, you pick one of the guys who happened to be involved in the cover-up and tried to stop the release of the memo that showed this DOJ corruption.'

    Did they think that Dirtbag Garland was going to pick someone with integrity rather than a coverup artist?

    ''In addition, we believe this guy was also involved in actually getting subpoenas on my lawyers, on my staff, back in '17, when we were investigating them. So I think what Congress is going to have to do here, Maria -- there was another news dump, not just the one on Saturday night. There was one on Friday, where the DOJ sent Jim Jordan, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, a letter that basically said: Kiss off. We're not going to give you any information.'

    'So what they have to do, what the Republicans are going to need to do is immediately subpoena, hold in contempt.'

    It might be time to put the House jail to use.
     
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    Your "based politics" writer is too stupid to understand nuance. Quoting:

    Schiff replied, “If you read the Mueller report, he makes clear in the first few pages of the report that he states no conclusion on whether Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians.”

    Really? Didn’t Bash just read the Mueller quote: “The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government.”

    The bolding is not mine. Adam Schiff was right that Mueller did not conclude whether Trump or his campaign "colluded" (actual term used in the report was "coordinated") with the Russians. The statement that the investigation "did not establish" that such coordination occurred simply means that they found no conclusive evidence that would *establish* that it had indeed occurred. The investigators were saying that they lacked the necessary evidence.

    But as long as we are on the topic of the Mueller investigation, it did turn up a lot of damning details about Trump:

    ...

    Mueller’s team did not find evidence that Trump or his associates conspired with Russian efforts to sway the 2016 election in his favor, nor could it sustain accusations that Trump sought to illegally obstruct the special counsel’s investigation. Yet the two-volume document delivered Thursday, which revealed the existence of 12 secret inquiries spun off by the special counsel, provides a damning account of the president and aides who often struggled to save Trump from himself.

    "The president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests," the report concludes.

    The report details direct steps that the president took to quash the investigation, all falling short because Attorney General Jeff Sessions, White House counsel Don McGahn and White House adviser Corey Lewandowski refused to carry out his orders, including separate directives to curb the investigation and dismiss Mueller.

    ... https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com...elease-investigation-trump-russia/3330151002/

    Happy reading!
     

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