Tesla Price War??

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    are they going to get them on the subscription model on the back end? using cloud based services?

    "Tesla waived its full Model S battery range unlock fee, but BMW's heated seats subscription is staying"

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla...d-seats-subscription-is-staying.638022.0.html

    "Tesla then waived the US$4,500 racket on the next day and did so for another Model S owner who also complained about the virtual range restrictions that Elon Musk's company put in place for the same reason.'

    the subscription model is coming, it will all be installed in your car, adding weight, reducing miles, but you will only be able to use these items with a subscription fee and if your car is 4g, what if like when 3g died, your car can no longer connect to the cloud, do your services shut off? how much do the monthly fees total, anti-lock breaks, heated seats, etc...

    "BMW starts selling heated seat subscriptions for $18 a month"

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscriptions-microtransactions-heated-seats-feature

    $18 a month to run the heated seats that are already so cheap to install, they want to install them in every car, even if won't use them as it costs more to sell some with heated seats and some without
     
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    That is not the basis of the Consumer Reports assessment. You need to get your excuses straight.
     
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    Actually, I just know good sites to visit.
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    that's exactly what everyone does.
    That's what exactly what everyone does in every case. You cherry pick the sources that support you and act like any source that doesn't is some sort of evil corrupt Factor.

    If you ever wonder why I don't post sources that's why. It's a waste of time you're not going to read them anyway.
     
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    CR is NOT the only source you have quoted.
     
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    But that's the one you were answering in your #74.
     
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    I can't believe people are going to like the idea of subscriptions for stuff that takes no continuing effort from the manufacturer and is relatively standard for cars to have.
     
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    Posters have responsibility for what they post.
     
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    No, methods used by CR have not even been stated on this thread.
     
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    Please see my #66.
    "Consumer Reports surveyed owners of more than 300,000 vehicles from model years 2000 to 2022 and used that data to make predictions about the reliability of 2023 model year vehicles."
     
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    I said the same about cell companies making the batteries not user replaceable... but here we are
     
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    Well, we shall see what they do. Capitalism can be pretty helpful.

    We all pay monthly fees for connectivity, I'd point out. I'm not so sure that buying a car means you get free connectivity for the entire life of the car.
     
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    they can charge for upgrades of the maps, but most will just use google maps if they charge $18 a month to use theirs

    that plan is to make heated seats, anti-lock breaks, etc, subscription services

    the problem with 3g, was when it ended, there was no way to upgrade to 4g, you lost the free lifetime connectivity promised - in fact you lost all connectivity - so now what if you were subscription based, what happens when 4g gets discontinued? how do you connect to the cloud to activate your heated seats
     
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    It would be nice if phones had consumer replaceable batteries.

    Phone manufacturers have gone for water resistance like IP68 and have controlled size by screen size desired.

    Cell phone batteries for the leading manufacturers are now wafer thin and cover much of the interior of the phone, with no additional protection for the delicate parts inside. The interior of a cell phone is a tech miracle of function in a tiny space. Touching the interior can do damage.

    I really believe that if they opened up current phones to allowing customers to try to change batteries it would be a disaster.

    I suppose they could make the phone more clunky to allow for a protected old style battery location, but that's not what customers want. And, I don't see how they would solve the water proofing problem without consuming a bunch more space for that, too.

    I'll also say that I've had my phone for years and I don't need a new battery - batteries are lasting longer than they once did.
     
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    My Rav4 gets routing information over its connectivity, too. I don't have OnStar or whatever, but my car will call for help if I crash. Clearly, there is a service out there in cloud land that Toyota is providing. Servicing must include new maps. Is that free? I really doubt it. But, I have a service plan and haven't watched what they are actually doing.

    Tesla also fixes problems and provides new features over its connectivity for free.

    So, Tesla does face the problem of maintaining software for tending the needs of cars it has sold in the past. That is certainly not free to Tesla.

    I really do not get the idea of subscriptions for features like heated seats. And, anti-lock brakes?? Good LORD! BMW must be DESPERATE.
     
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    agree, I have a friend that had a car like that too, it was 3g, now that 3g is no more, no more internet for the car - remote start, all that no longer works

    "DRIVER WARNING
    List of cars that will lose crash safety features starting TODAY after 3G shutdown – is yours on the list?"

    https://www.the-sun.com/motors/4658743/cars-lose-safety-features-this-month-3g-shutdown/

    looks like Toyta may have a free upgrade

    "The solution: Toyota says the 3G shutdown will affect Toyota Safety Connect starting November 1, 2022."

    "If you have not completed the limited-service campaign or you are a new Safety Connect subscriber who is involved in the customer support program, any authorized Toyota dealer will perform the software update free of charge."

    "
    Vehicles affected:
    • 2011-2017 Toyota Sienna
    • 2012-2016 Toyota Prius v
    • 2013-2018 Toyota Avalon/HV
    • 2012-2014 Toyota RAV4 EV
    • 2012-2015 Toyota Prius Plug-in
    • 2013-2017 Toyota Camry/HV
    • 2016-2017 Toyota Mirai
    • 2010-2016 Toyota Prius
    • 2014-2018 Toyota Highlander/HV
    • 2011-2017 Toyota Land Cruiser
    • 2010-2019 Toyota 4Runner
    "
     
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    Every poster does the exact same thing they cherry pick sources they agree with.
     
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    I don't agree. But, it doesn't really matter.

    It's still a case of posters losing credit for posting crap cites.
     
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    yeah but that's because you want to have more credibility than you do. The only way to do that is to steal man other people's arguments.
    They're only crap to you because they don't affirm your religion.

    Every single other religious person does the exact same thing you're doing.
     
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    I have a hard time worrying about free of charge updates. All these cars require service appointments.
     
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    I go out of my way to assure that my cites are well vetted by experts.

    Yes, I am well aware that my credibility includes the quality of my cites.

    The issues I came up with the Jack Hays post on ICE being cheaper than EV is a case in point.

    That site was CRAP, and I pointed out a number of reasons that totally DQ that site.

    And, I'm not the only one. You can find similar response on the internet.

    Citing that kind of crap is essentially broadcasting false information.
     
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    but first Cherry picked to affirm your religious belief.
    but it doesn't matter it's a firming common knowledge electric vehicles are luxury cars they're toys for rich people. I'm not sure they'll ever leave that realm.
    yeah electric car people are like a cult. You say one thing negative about their crappy little substandard cards and they absolutely lose their ****. I put them in the same category as flat Earth. They're not devoted to their luxury toy.

    The thing I don't understand is I don't care if they play with their toys. I'm not going to be mesmerized by it.
    But it's correct I bought a 7 you're old pickup truck with the heat engine in it and spent less money on it the fuel the maintenance all together for the past 7 years I've been driving it then I would on an electric car.

    Much less an electric car that's equivalent which doesn't exist.
     

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