Germany Says 'Nein' On Tanks At Allies' Big Ramstein Meeting

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not claim any persecutions happened .. so it is not a case of "moral cripples who justify Russian aggression" but, a case of an intellectual cripple misrepresenting what they have read and engaging in strawman fallacy.
     
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    For moral cripples - if there is none evidence, that persecutions against Russians happened, than they did not happen. It's so simple.
     
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    The Leopards are a "go".....this thread is useless....put this in the "funnies" section.
     
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    so what? And in 1654, Bogdan Khmelnitsky filed a petition for Ukraine to join Russia. And Russia took Ukraine into its citizenship. Let's take a look at this document.
    And before you talk about Ukraine and its regions, you must advocate the transfer of Texas and southern California to Mexico. And in general, the United States should become a colony of Britain.
    And most importantly, it is necessary to return the sovereignty of the Indians over the entire territory of the United States.
     
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    Are you able to read comprehension?
    I will repeat again especially for you. Let's point by point.
    1. An armed coup d'etat took place in Ukraine in 2014. This is clear?
    2. Part of the regions of the former Ukraine did not recognize the coup. And they had the right, according to all international norms, not to recognize the armed seizure of power. This is clear?
    3. Regionv proclaimed their sovereignty from Ukraine. They were entitled under the international law on the right of nations to self-determination. This is clear?
    4. Independent countries (after the adoption of sovereignty) turned to Russia with a request to take them into citizenship. According to all international norms and laws. (same as Kosova) Is that clear?
    5. Russians accepted independent states as part of Russia (Crimea in 2014, other regions in 2022)
    I don't understand what you don't understand?
    Do you need specific articles of the UN charter?
    Russia had the right to a special military operation in the framework of providing assistance to the DPR and LPR based on their requests and signed documents between Moscow, Donetsk and Luhansk in full compliance with Article 51, Title VII of the UN Charter.
    In addition, articles 106 and 107 of the UN Charter, Russia, as the legal successor of the USSR - the winner in World War II, are entitled to all measures, including military ones, against Germany, Hungary, Austria, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland, Croatia, Slovenia , Czech Republic, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Ukraine for attempts to revive Nazism. Or support its revival in every possible way.
     
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    This is fiction.
    More fiction.
    So far Star Wars has more reality than what you are writing.
    Is this a script to a science fiction sitcom?
    So, Ukraine successfully invaded and took a large city Kherson from the Russian homeland? Russia's doing pretty badly with Ukraine having lost no territory? Just trying to follow the plot to your latest fantasy.
     
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    Interesting . . . you left out Poland in your sci-fi novel? Why?

    I think you should have Russia invade Latvia in your sci-fi novel next. Or is Russia the cowardly 'hero" who is too afraid to stand up for itself? Is Russia chicken?
     
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    1654.

    We are talking modern day Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union and you bring up 1654 as a declaration that Russia hasn't matured since then?

    Lol. Ok.
     
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    Encyclopedia Britannica 1911 - "ukraine"

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    Its you are talking about Russia after the collapse of the USSR. I'm talking about historical Russia, which is being successfully restored.
    And the Russians don't care about your opinion. They do what they see fit.
    By the way, Alaska and northern California are also part of Russia, which should return.

    It is interesting and funny for me to watch people like you, who for some reason believe that everyone should proceed from your vision of the issue.
    I'm talking about those who constantly yell "the whole world thinks ...", "the whole world decided ...", the whole world is against ...". For some reason, believing that a handful of countries, losing their influence, - is "the whole world."
     
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    Poland is such Poland. "Not all rats managed to escape" :roflol::roflol::roflol:
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    Wow...Bill....did you write that yourself?:)
     
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    Beyond the fact that Russia is against against it's previous assurance and promises/declarations thus nullifying any future promise signature or declaration...

    The whole world voted regarding the validity of Russian claimed annexation of the Ukrainian eastern territories and the message was loud and clear.

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    So what? Russians do not care about these meaningless declarations. Many of them opposed when the Ukrainians bombed the DNR and LNR? How many of them resented the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses? Many of them were outraged when the United States, in violation of the UN declaration, bombed Yugoslavia? So, the Russians spit on all these resolutions justifiably and fairly.
     
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    Also, the more lethal aid into the conflict, the less chance of drawing yourself out of it. The Germans have an Administration with its head on its shoulders and carefully trying to navigate this internal European Crisis. I wish we could say we had the same here. Because all of the same reason for German Hesitation, apply triple for us.
     
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    If Russia doesn't wanna grow up and act according to the principles of the charter of the United Nations - it's peers...then Russia can enjoy it's pariah status, no trade with the West and freedom missiles up it's ass.
     
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    There are new trends un Russian propaganda, they made fake Western journals illustrations, and then bots like this one spread it in internet.
     
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    Seems like a lot of work for nothing ... one needs only use actual western journal illustrations to get the same message across to Russians .. or is this propaganda for the West ?

    Who is the intended audience of this propaganda ?
     
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    Which ones, can you bring examples? Or, as always, nothing?
    Audience for this are Russian citizens and useful idiots in West as You and other "free thinkers".
     
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    Yes thanks I am able to read. Kind of you to ask.

    I find it sweet that you are you still groping around for some kind of legitimacy in all that...excellent stuff....

    You could've just quoted Putin that would've made it easier for you than all the other stuff you're scrabbling to make an argument out of! Leave that moronic crap to the other bots here so it gets filtered out.
    From 2000 up to 2022 there has been a need for Putin to string together a narrative providing a political legitimacy to his actions....Putin's version is that Russian only exists and has the right to rule today because of the baptisms in Kyiv in 988 and nothing that has happened since then has really mattered...there has been an unbroken line of a right to rule as a result of some kind of metaphysical event from days gone past....It's like kings and princes for the middle ages defining their lineage back to Christ or Viking Warriors telling tales of being descended from wolves. Once upon a time there was a....fill in the blanks....

    The object of his narrative is to gain power. That's all....nothing else.....its about trying to mix political history and social history in order to establish a lineage upon which to legitimise his right to power...that about sum it up for you? Everything else....everything you and the other morons are spreading is just fluff and noise.....Putin has defined his right to rule and it's clear from his writings. There is no oligarchical pluralism within Russia there is only one voice. There is no alternative view of history or art or religion or comment or anything....so why are you quoting articles 106 and 107 when the right to rule has been established?? You are undermining the very pillars of Putin's rationale buy alluding to these...they are modern creations with no basis within the political or social historical context provided. Since, as Putin says, NATO is some "drunken" post modernist construct and its very intention is the takeover of Ukraine (and the destruction of Russia to apparently) why are you quoting from its canon? Aren't you being a heretic? It's like the devil quoting Thomas Aquinas in order to give definition to his own existence.

    Anyway....you asked me if I can read and I'd reply...well obviously better than you as you are still spreading made up stories about nazis and stuff...better that you try and stick to doctrine
    I'll leave you with this thought that Russia has never been and will never be "anti-Ukraine". And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide....and they did decide they decided to fight....bummer huh
     
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    I'm confused by your answer since replacing tank barrels is a maintenance issue, it doesn't mean you replace the whole tank. I was addressing destroyed tanks.
     
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    You can't come up with examples of Western media that is nasty to Russia ?! Not sure what to tell you mate . :deadhorse:
     
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    ...that's fine....
     
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    I agree. I saw the numbers on two different sites. However I suspect the destroyed number includes Warsaw Pact era tanks that have been supplied to the Ukrainians from the former Warsaw Pact nations that are part of NATO. Those countries have been shedding their Soviet era inventory by shipping it to Ukraine, so at the beginning of the war, they started with 2500 tanks but that number increased over the year with the influx of cast off Warsaw Pact tanks.

    Of course it's hard to trust numbers. I do trust the 2021 Ukraine Order of Battle numbers from before the war, but of course virtually any numbers since the war are suspect, and I won't believe anyone's claims as to how many tanks Ukraine has now. But it's possible the 2800 destroyed is correct.
     

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